Re: [ThyroidFitness] Giant Floating Purple Pills ~ Are those creepy prescription-drug commercials on TV trying to kill you?

2008-09-30 16:31:06

LOL Have you noticed that there are NO ads for Xolair? I can't imagine anyone wanting to lessen their asthma to the point of "may die after the first injection from anaphylaxis, now sign here......." if it weren't severe enough to be killing them already!!! ROFL

Pam
Bee Fuddled <beefuddled912@...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2003/11/21/notes112103.DTL

Giant Floating Purple Pills ~ Are those creepy prescription-drug commercials on TV trying to kill you?

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

Cut to picture of healthy-looking yuppie guy emerging from swimming pool and smiling. Cut to picture of mother twirling her child in the park in slo-mo. Cut to picture of woman taking deep whiffs of fresh-cut lilies at the florist and grinning warmly as if the world was one big gob of perky happy fluffy bunny joy. Yay. Drugs. Yay.

Celebrex can make you feel like you again. Celebrex is a revolutionary new breakthrough in medicine technology. Celebrex is not for everyone. Ask your doctor if Celebrex is right for you.

Side effects may include nausea diarrhea anxiety sleeplessness headaches projectile vomiting genital warts narcolepsy halitosis death bed wetting pained nightmares involving angry bloodsucking poodles and the mad uncontrollable desire to smash your head into a brick wall over and over again until you stop screaming.

Do not use Celebrex if you are recently deceased. Do not use Celebrex if you are already experiencing heart palpitations or night sweats or screaming terrified wolf howls or if you take any other medication that begins with the letter C.

Pregnant or nursing mothers should not use Celebrex, unless you want your child to become a mutant deformed pygmy three-armed libertarian with 17 toes and the IQ of a small canned ham.

If you are absolutely certain nothing is wrong with you and you feel fine and hence you do not need Celebrex, this is actually the first troubling sign that Celebrex is exactly what you need. Contact your doctor immediately, if not sooner.

If you are right now watching this TV commercial for Celebrex and have no idea what the hell Celebrex is because we don't ever actually tell you what the hell it is, and, hence, if you feel the pharmaceutical industry is this freakish mega-powerful mind-control cult fully bent on convincing as much of the human population as possible that wildly expensive prescription meds are the answer to all your problems, this, too, means you should take our medication, pronto.

And if you go so far as to dare to think that maybe, just maybe, alternative medicine or homeopathy or just becoming much, much more aware of your life and what you eat and how you live might, in fact, negate the need for a great many of the drugs we manufacture, and if you believe that we might actually invent bogus ailments and drill a fear of them into the cultural consciousness, all in order to supply you with the narcotics to treat them, well, have we got a nice pill for you.

Sound familiar? It should. It was in 1997 that the FDA finally loosened the rules on DTCA (direct-to-consumer advertising), finally let them loose upon the unsuspecting and completely unprepared populace, and thus were major pharmaceutical companies given the right to advertise like savage and shameless maniacs on national television.

And they were allowed to hawk extremely expensive and often toxic drugs designed to relieve you of various debilitating ailments, but not even really tell you what those products actually do, or why, or how much they cost, or anything at all except for a quick charming listing of possible side effects, each of which seems to involve some sort of stomach recoil and skin eruption and painful bowel shift.

But there was a study. There is always a study. By the Kaiser Family Foundation. A couple years ago. It said that one in eight people who saw a drug commercial on TV did, in fact, ask their doctor about it, and 44 percent of those actually got themselves a prescription for that drug.

Sadly enough, drug ads work. In 1997, pharmcos spent $791 million on TV ads. Today that figure is well over $3 billion. This is why you can't turn on the TV without seeing some inexplicable commercial for some bizarre-sounding drug that features as its active ingredient siflintrate oxygtoralnyzincotim but which they call Happium or maybe Numbium. Drugs have become just another everyday consumer good, like Campbell's soup or Windex or a new Toyota Camry.

A swarm of giant purple pills gently fall from the azure sky, rotating slowly as they fall, like a rain of Skittles, like manna from the gods of Merck. A well-drugged housewife happily bakes cookies with her children as a bird sings on the windowsill. Happy narcotized citizens of America go about their business, usually in slow motion, always grinning calmly, the colors of the world oversaturated and utopian and creepy.

Lipitor. Nexium. Singulair. Vioxx. Vanceril. Xenical. Zyrtec. Allegra. Avandia. Claritin. Zoloft. Ritalin. Valtrex. Viagra. Flonase. Prinivil. Meridia. Prilosec. Provocal. Ditropan. All on TV. All aimed straight at consumers. All sounding like a new model from Acura.

Many of these drugs are, of course, beneficial to a great many people, but every single one crosses over that modest boundary of limited need and is heavily overmarketed and overprescribed and wickedly expensive, its promised results misleading and even dangerous.

And many of these drugs are, in the long haul, quite likely more toxic and destructive to the mind and body than pot or cocaine or ecstasy. But, hey, as every major oil CEO and BushCo warmonger and Wal-Mart exec knows, education and common sense are the true enemies of profit.

Simply put, it is in the vested interest of every pharmco in the world to convince as many doctors as possible to prescribe their drugs, wining and dining them and sending them elaborate gifts and buying them hookers and booze and cars and lost weekends during ridiculously lavish weeklong drug symposiums at the Bellagio in Vegas. Hey, just ask any M.D. -- this happens far, far more than you think. And, by the way, you have not seen the very embodiment of slick smarm until you've met a professionally groomed and carefully hatched drug rep from a major pharmaceutical corporation. Beware.

But now, much to their overall sinister glee, pharmcos no longer have to market solely to doctors. And they can also pass right over your neighborhood pharmacist, the specialist who's actually specifically trained in this sort of thing, who actually knows more than almost any doctor about prescription meds and what chemical does what to whom and why.

After all, why try to convince the wary professionals and experts when you can market straight to the gullible and the trusting and the easily duped? America is sick sick sick, besotted by a hundred thousand ailments, each one more icky and ravaging than the last. This is what they are selling. This is the underlying message. This is why you need their drugs.

And this is why television is their ultimate medium, allowing them to convince as many consumers as possible that they must demand a prescription for that neat-o pretty purple pill they saw on TV because, as we all know, if it's on television, it must be good.

We have become a nation completely inured to seeing giant pretty pills floating across our TV screens like they were just another can of Cheez-Whiz. Hell, even the FDA says many of these ads are seriously misleading, and has issued numerous warning letters to countless pharmcos for intentionally lying to consumers about the efficacy of their chemicals.

No matter. Few are demanding any drastic change to the ads, as Bush-backed corporations have more power than they've had since the industrial revolution, and, hence, nuanced awareness of corporate calculation, of what is being sold to us -- from war to jingoist ideology to the mountain of legal drugs we happily pump into our bodies -- seems to be at an all-time low.

But it's OK. That sadness and bitterness and overall disgust you might feel about all this? That sense that you are losing control, that they have far too much power and reach and you have too few defenses and they will soon be marketing Ritalin and kiddie Prozac straight to your child during "Spongebob" commercial breaks? Fear not. Just relax. They have a pill for that, too.

Re: Now maybe I can get my house cleaned!

2008-09-30 14:05:06

Wow, I almost feel released...like flying up to the pearly gates...my
job has finished...I am finally at the end of the chapter in this
amazing book called Internet! Usually I read ahead in a book...the
last page for sure, to know it's worth my time and efforts. All the
chapters in this book were worth reading. Guess it's time to go back
to page 1! :-P ~ Linda

Re: Giant Floating Purple Pills...killing you?

2008-09-30 11:56:45

Bee, this was FABULOUS!!!!! Mark should run for head of state or
something like that. He is right on the money. :-) Thanks for
posting this. I signed up for the Morning Fix at the SF Gate's
website...I can't wait to hear what he says every day! lol ~ Linda
snippage
pool and smiling. Cut to picture of mother twirling her child in the
park in slo-mo. Cut to picture of woman taking deep whiffs of fresh-
cut lilies at the florist and grinning warmly as if the world was one
big gob of perky happy fluffy bunny joy. Yay. Drugs. Yay.
revolutionary new breakthrough in medicine technology. Celebrex is
not for everyone. Ask your doctor if Celebrex is right for you.
headaches projectile vomiting genital warts narcolepsy halitosis
death bed wetting pained nightmares involving angry bloodsucking
poodles and the mad uncontrollable desire to smash your head into a
brick wall over and over again until you stop screaming.
Friday on SF Gate, unless it appears on Tuesdays and Thursdays, which
it never does. He also writes the Morning Fix, a deeply skewed thrice-
weekly e-mail column and newsletter. Subscribe at
sfgate.com/newsletters.

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Now maybe I can get my house cleaned!

2008-09-30 03:19:42

HAAAAAAAAA!!! ANd that's exactly what I'm going to do,go to bed and read a book!!

Good one...............

Now maybe I can get my house cleaned!

2008-09-29 20:34:00

http://www.shibumi.org/EotI FINALLY, AFTER MANY HOURS BROWSING MILLIONS OF INTERNET PAGES, I HAVE FOUND IT. lol

Bee Fuddled ~ (1 of 4) Founding Member/Owner of American Thyroid Patients ~ ~ Indiana Thyroid Support ~ Founder-CoOwner ThyroidFitness~IN Groups http://beefuddled.ontheweb.com/

My List of Good Doctor Search Links &amp; Drug Co websites

2008-09-29 12:42:40

Good Doctor Search Links
http://www.aaem.com ( The American Academy of Environmental Medicine). Some of the doctors on their search are also BB docs, and I think the rest might be likely to prescribe Armour. One I found here also takes insurance but does not treat adrenals.
http://www.drsiegal.com/findadoctor.html Type in your city/State or zip or even 1st 3 numbers of zip to find a doc close by. These are doctors who are more enlightened about thyroid disease. They a lot of times do more extensive testing, may prescribe armour, t3 therapy, treat with t4/t3 drugs & treat more according to your symptoms rather than just by the numbers.

http://www.brodabarnes.org Broda Barnes docs are more likely to treat by the symptoms, do more thorough testing, treat with t4/t3 drugs or add t3 therapy to your t4 drug. They are not usually just by the numbers doctors. I have the lists for several states...contact me for more info...Bee

http://www.medical-library.net/doctors/dr_levin/ This is another site that some have found helpful in a doctor search

Welcome to AACE Online: http://www.aace.com
This one has a doctor search by zip also

http://www.bestdoctors.com Not sure on this one-had it written down
but not researched

Here's another site where you might get some references of docs with a broader perspective about thyroid disorder. It's called American Preventive Medical Association. http://www.apma.net/

This is the website of the American Association of Bariatric (obesity) Physicians. It was founded by Dr. William McClymonds who also founded Western Research labs, makers of Westhroid and Nature-throid. THere is a search for doctors on this site. http://www.asbp.org/

Thyroid Top Doctors Directory Updated~A new Thyroid Top Doctors Directory has been revised and updated, and is now online. Find the best thyroid doctors and practitioners around the world. http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/bldoc1.htm

National Questionable Doctors Website http://www.citizen.org/hrg/
http://www.questionabledoctors.org/index.cfm?src=2

Web Site Lists Texas' Disciplined Doctors ~Doctors who were disciplined by State & Federal Government http://www.tsbme.state.tx.us
Link to full article http://199.97.97.16/contWriter/yhd7/2002/07/03/medic/4851-0029-pat_nytimes.html
Useful Links to Related Sites http://www.tsbme.state.tx.us/links/links.htm#DATA

Finding a Doctor Who uses Natural Hormones One of the best sources of information is your local health food store. You can also look in your yellow pages under "physicians." Those who practice alternative medicine often advertise themselves as wholistic or holistic physicians. Two organizations you can contact for referral lists are:
American College for Advancement in Medicine
P.O. Box 3427
Laguna Hills, CA 92654
(800) 532-3688
In California: (714) 583-7666

American Association of Naturopathic Physicians
601 Valley St., Ste. #105
Seattle, WA 98109
(206) 298-0126
Website: http://www.naturopathic.org/welcome.html

American Holistic Medical Association
Resources for natural HRT.
6728 Old McLean Village Drive
McLean, VA 22101
703 556-9245
703 556-8729 fax
WebSite: http://www.holisticmedicine.org

Professional Referral Network
http://www.healthreferral.com

The company Kevala will refer you to a doctor if you call them.
Visit their website for more info: http://www.KevalaHealth.com/doctors.html
http://www.johnleemd.com/johnleemd/findocwhousn.html

Thyroid Drug Database & Company Websites

Armour thyroid http://www.armourthyroid.com/index.html http://www.armourthyroid.com/locate.html
Bio Tech Thyroid http://www.bio-tech-pharm.com/index.html
Synthroid http://www.synthroid.com/
Levoxyl http://www.levoxyl.com/
http://www.kingpharm.com/product_view.asp?KP_Product_ID=45
Levethroid http://www.armourthyroid.com/Levothroid/index.html http://www.armourthyroid.com/Levothroid/locate.html
Thyrolar http://www.armourthyroid.com/Thyrolar/index.html
Westhroid and Nature-thyroid http://www.westernresearchlaboratories.com
Unithroid http://www.unithroid.com/
Cytomel http://www.kingpharm.com/product_view.asp?KP_Product_ID=36
Tapazole http://www.kingpharm.com/product_view.asp?KP_Product_ID=47
Thyrogen http://www.genzymetherapeutics.com/thyrogen/welcome.htm

A complete database with info on thyroid hormone replacement drugs, antithyroid drugs, and manufacturers -- including Synthroid, Thyrolar, Armour, Cytomel, Tapazole, PTU, Thyrogen, and other brands.
http://thyroid.about.com/library/drugs/bl-drugs.htm

Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratoryhttp://www.gsdl.com/gsdl/

Bee Fuddled ~ (1 of 4) Founding Member/Owner of American Thyroid Patients ~ ~ Indiana Thyroid Support ~ Founder-CoOwner ThyroidFitness~IN Groups http://beefuddled.ontheweb.com/

Giant Floating Purple Pills ~ Are those creepy prescription-drug commercials on TV trying to kill you?

2008-09-29 12:14:30

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2003/11/21/notes112103.DTL

Giant Floating Purple Pills ~ Are those creepy prescription-drug commercials on TV trying to kill you?

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

Cut to picture of healthy-looking yuppie guy emerging from swimming pool and smiling. Cut to picture of mother twirling her child in the park in slo-mo. Cut to picture of woman taking deep whiffs of fresh-cut lilies at the florist and grinning warmly as if the world was one big gob of perky happy fluffy bunny joy. Yay. Drugs. Yay.

Celebrex can make you feel like you again. Celebrex is a revolutionary new breakthrough in medicine technology. Celebrex is not for everyone. Ask your doctor if Celebrex is right for you.

Side effects may include nausea diarrhea anxiety sleeplessness headaches projectile vomiting genital warts narcolepsy halitosis death bed wetting pained nightmares involving angry bloodsucking poodles and the mad uncontrollable desire to smash your head into a brick wall over and over again until you stop screaming.

Do not use Celebrex if you are recently deceased. Do not use Celebrex if you are already experiencing heart palpitations or night sweats or screaming terrified wolf howls or if you take any other medication that begins with the letter C.

Pregnant or nursing mothers should not use Celebrex, unless you want your child to become a mutant deformed pygmy three-armed libertarian with 17 toes and the IQ of a small canned ham.

If you are absolutely certain nothing is wrong with you and you feel fine and hence you do not need Celebrex, this is actually the first troubling sign that Celebrex is exactly what you need. Contact your doctor immediately, if not sooner.

If you are right now watching this TV commercial for Celebrex and have no idea what the hell Celebrex is because we don't ever actually tell you what the hell it is, and, hence, if you feel the pharmaceutical industry is this freakish mega-powerful mind-control cult fully bent on convincing as much of the human population as possible that wildly expensive prescription meds are the answer to all your problems, this, too, means you should take our medication, pronto.

And if you go so far as to dare to think that maybe, just maybe, alternative medicine or homeopathy or just becoming much, much more aware of your life and what you eat and how you live might, in fact, negate the need for a great many of the drugs we manufacture, and if you believe that we might actually invent bogus ailments and drill a fear of them into the cultural consciousness, all in order to supply you with the narcotics to treat them, well, have we got a nice pill for you.

Sound familiar? It should. It was in 1997 that the FDA finally loosened the rules on DTCA (direct-to-consumer advertising), finally let them loose upon the unsuspecting and completely unprepared populace, and thus were major pharmaceutical companies given the right to advertise like savage and shameless maniacs on national television.

And they were allowed to hawk extremely expensive and often toxic drugs designed to relieve you of various debilitating ailments, but not even really tell you what those products actually do, or why, or how much they cost, or anything at all except for a quick charming listing of possible side effects, each of which seems to involve some sort of stomach recoil and skin eruption and painful bowel shift.

But there was a study. There is always a study. By the Kaiser Family Foundation. A couple years ago. It said that one in eight people who saw a drug commercial on TV did, in fact, ask their doctor about it, and 44 percent of those actually got themselves a prescription for that drug.

Sadly enough, drug ads work. In 1997, pharmcos spent $791 million on TV ads. Today that figure is well over $3 billion. This is why you can't turn on the TV without seeing some inexplicable commercial for some bizarre-sounding drug that features as its active ingredient siflintrate oxygtoralnyzincotim but which they call Happium or maybe Numbium. Drugs have become just another everyday consumer good, like Campbell's soup or Windex or a new Toyota Camry.

A swarm of giant purple pills gently fall from the azure sky, rotating slowly as they fall, like a rain of Skittles, like manna from the gods of Merck. A well-drugged housewife happily bakes cookies with her children as a bird sings on the windowsill. Happy narcotized citizens of America go about their business, usually in slow motion, always grinning calmly, the colors of the world oversaturated and utopian and creepy.

Lipitor. Nexium. Singulair. Vioxx. Vanceril. Xenical. Zyrtec. Allegra. Avandia. Claritin. Zoloft. Ritalin. Valtrex. Viagra. Flonase. Prinivil. Meridia. Prilosec. Provocal. Ditropan. All on TV. All aimed straight at consumers. All sounding like a new model from Acura.

Many of these drugs are, of course, beneficial to a great many people, but every single one crosses over that modest boundary of limited need and is heavily overmarketed and overprescribed and wickedly expensive, its promised results misleading and even dangerous.

And many of these drugs are, in the long haul, quite likely more toxic and destructive to the mind and body than pot or cocaine or ecstasy. But, hey, as every major oil CEO and BushCo warmonger and Wal-Mart exec knows, education and common sense are the true enemies of profit.

Simply put, it is in the vested interest of every pharmco in the world to convince as many doctors as possible to prescribe their drugs, wining and dining them and sending them elaborate gifts and buying them hookers and booze and cars and lost weekends during ridiculously lavish weeklong drug symposiums at the Bellagio in Vegas. Hey, just ask any M.D. -- this happens far, far more than you think. And, by the way, you have not seen the very embodiment of slick smarm until you've met a professionally groomed and carefully hatched drug rep from a major pharmaceutical corporation. Beware.

But now, much to their overall sinister glee, pharmcos no longer have to market solely to doctors. And they can also pass right over your neighborhood pharmacist, the specialist who's actually specifically trained in this sort of thing, who actually knows more than almost any doctor about prescription meds and what chemical does what to whom and why.

After all, why try to convince the wary professionals and experts when you can market straight to the gullible and the trusting and the easily duped? America is sick sick sick, besotted by a hundred thousand ailments, each one more icky and ravaging than the last. This is what they are selling. This is the underlying message. This is why you need their drugs.

And this is why television is their ultimate medium, allowing them to convince as many consumers as possible that they must demand a prescription for that neat-o pretty purple pill they saw on TV because, as we all know, if it's on television, it must be good.

We have become a nation completely inured to seeing giant pretty pills floating across our TV screens like they were just another can of Cheez-Whiz. Hell, even the FDA says many of these ads are seriously misleading, and has issued numerous warning letters to countless pharmcos for intentionally lying to consumers about the efficacy of their chemicals.

No matter. Few are demanding any drastic change to the ads, as Bush-backed corporations have more power than they've had since the industrial revolution, and, hence, nuanced awareness of corporate calculation, of what is being sold to us -- from war to jingoist ideology to the mountain of legal drugs we happily pump into our bodies -- seems to be at an all-time low.

But it's OK. That sadness and bitterness and overall disgust you might feel about all this? That sense that you are losing control, that they have far too much power and reach and you have too few defenses and they will soon be marketing Ritalin and kiddie Prozac straight to your child during "Spongebob" commercial breaks? Fear not. Just relax. They have a pill for that, too.

Group Chat in the ThyroidFitness chat room, 11/23/2003, 8:00 pm

2008-09-29 06:38:19

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Re: [ThyroidFitness] TREATMENT DATE IS SET! Finally! ~ Being thankful...

2008-09-28 17:42:39

Hey, lady B,

I hope this is finally it...they have just drug their feet for way too long...I can't imagine going through what you have and not ending up in jail for murder...lol!

Hang in there! Just a little longer!

I just have to say how much I love this group! Everyone is so supportive and helpful...I mean, yeah I opened the group, but all of you are what makes this the wonderfully supportive, friendly and nurturing group that we are...

I mean we have all had our struggles, yet we reach out to help and offer a cyber-shoulder to cry on and share what we have learned to help make the road a little (or a lot) smoother for the next person...

I mean, lady B has become our thyroid cancer/thyroidectomy angel and even though she is struggling with all that is going on in her life, I know of a few people that she is helping to cope with the same type situation...but you know that I find, since I started this group that the more that I have reached out to others and met all of you brave & wonderful friends, that my problems, even though they have not gone away, seem so much more bearable with others going through the same type things to help lighten the load...

I know that some of you have helped so many who come here scared and lonely, looking for someone who understands, because they have been there them selves...

So, one of the things that I am most thankful for are the wonderful "family" here in this group! Lots of love & big hugs! Bee
Bee Fuddled ~ (1 of 4) Founding Member/Owner of American Thyroid Patients ~ ~ Indiana Thyroid Support ~ Founder-CoOwner ThyroidFitness~IN Groups http://beefuddled.ontheweb.com/

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Goitrogenic Foods

2008-09-28 17:20:20

here's the list of foods that it is SUGGESTED should be eaten cooked and in moderation,
unless otherwise noted to avoid it entirely:
Almonds
Asparagus
Babassu (a palm-tree coconut fruit popular in Brazil
and Africa)
Bamboo shoots
Bok choy
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chick peas (garbanzos)
Flaxseed (this is up for debate, do a google.com
search)
Garlic
Groundnuts
Herbs of the Barbarea and Residea families
Horseradish
Kale
Kohlrabi
Leafy greens (turnip greens, mustard greens, collard
greens)
Legumes (beans and peas)
Lima beans
Linseed
Maize
Millet (cooking seems to INCREASE goitrogenic effect)
Mustard greens
Nectarines
Onion
Peaches
Peanuts (roasted are probably okay)
Pears
Pine nuts (pignoli)
Processed meats
Radishes
Rapeseed (oil) - from which canola is derived
Rutabaga
Spinach
SOY in all it's various forms -- AVOID (supposedly fermented, like soy sauce is ok)
Strawberries
Swede
Sweet potatoes
Swiss chard
Turnip greens
White turnip
Wasabi
Watercress

Bee Fuddled ~ (1 of 4) Founding Member/Owner of American Thyroid Patients ~ ~ Indiana Thyroid Support ~ Founder-CoOwner ThyroidFitness~IN Groups http://beefuddled.ontheweb.com/

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Just fired another doctor

2008-09-28 08:58:41

HI Val,

Sorry to keep hearing all the bad stuff that is going on...you must be outraged...

I wanted to make a few suggestions about how your hubby could help control the hyper a little on his own...

basically the things I am going to suggest are the opposite of what we has hypo's need to do the same thing...

eat lots of goitrogenic fruits and veggies...this slows down thyroid function naturally...

the main thing they say with soy is that it blocks our meds from being absorbed correctly, so since it is not good for us really in other ways, I won't suggest that...

they say that the more we cook the veggies that are goitrogenic, the more the effects dissapate, so I would suggest, as much raw broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage (etc...cruciferous veggies) as he can consume...

I know that they say that green tea supposedly revs the metabolism, but I have read where they used to treat hyperthyroid people with it, as a med because it slows down thyroid function...

I will look for a complete list of goitrogenic foods to post so you can try to help him out from the diet angle...

I will keep you & yours (as well as everyone else here) in my prayers...Hugs, Bee

Bee Fuddled ~ (1 of 4) Founding Member/Owner of American Thyroid Patients ~ ~ Indiana Thyroid Support ~ Founder-CoOwner ThyroidFitness~IN Groups http://beefuddled.ontheweb.com/

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Happy Thanksgiving...a Poem...definitely hard to low carb at thanksgiving...

2008-09-28 07:00:39

Very cute!

Happy Thanksgiving...a Poem...definitely hard to low carb at thanksgiving...

2008-09-27 16:31:44

'TWAS THE NIGHT OF THANKSGIVING,
BUT I JUST COULDN'T SLEEP.
I TRIED COUNTING BACKWARDS,
I TRIED COUNTING SHEEP. [INLINE] ???
THE LEFTOVERS BECKONED-
THE DARK MEAT AND WHITE, [INLINE] ???
BUT I FOUGHT THE TEMPTATION
WITH ALL OF MY MIGHT.
TOSSING AND TURNING WITH ANTICIPATION,
THE THOUGHT OF A SNACK BECAME INFATUATION,
SO, I RACED TO THE KITCHEN, FLUNG OPEN THE DOOR,
AND GAZED AT THE FRIDGE, FULL OF GOODIES GALORE.
I GOBBLED UP TURKEY AND BUTTERED POTATOES,
PICKLES AND CARROTS, BEANS AND TOMATOES.
I FELT MYSELF SWELLING SO PLUMP AND SO ROUND,
'TIL ALL OF A SUDDEN, I ROSE OFF THE GROUND.
I CRASHED THROUGH THE CEILING,
FLOATING INTO THE SKY,
WITH A MOUTHFUL OF PUDDING
AND A HANDFUL OF PIE.
BUT, I MANAGED TO YELL AS I SOARED PAST THE TREES....
HAPPY EATING TO ALL-
PASS THE CRANBERRIES, PLEASE!
MAY YOUR STUFFING BE TASTY,
MAY YOUR TURKEY BE PLUMP
MAY YOUR POTATOES'N GRAVY
HAVE NARY A LUMP.
MAY YOUR YAMS BE DELICIOUS
MAY YOUR PIES TAKE THE PRIZE,
MAY YOUR THANKSGIVING DINNER STAY OFF YOUR THIGHS!
MAY YOUR THANKSGIVING BE BLESSED!!

Bee Fuddled ~ (1 of 4) Founding Member/Owner of American Thyroid Patients ~ ~ Indiana Thyroid Support ~ Founder-CoOwner ThyroidFitness~IN Groups http://beefuddled.ontheweb.com/

Re: Just fired another doctor

2008-09-27 12:13:13

That sucks, Valerie. I hope you can luck out and find a good doctor
soon.
Jan

Just fired another doctor

2008-09-27 08:47:03

Hi Everyone,
Well the saga with my husband's hyperthyroid continues. We just fired
another doctor. At first we thought she might be good (drove to the next
county to see her), but looks like she just talks and talks, but can't walk
the walk.
Some of you may remember, she's the one who put my hubby on a low dose of
synthroid for a hyperthyroid and I flipped out. He had stopped shaking
after months before he took the meds, he took it for 1 week and the shaking
immediately started back up, as soon as he quit it stopped.
So, they write on a card his appointment time at 9:30 AM, took off work and
we were there. We also had made an appointment to the naturopath I see for
11:30 as they're in the same town. We get there and the office says his
appointment is 10:15, we told them no, they wrote on the card 9:30. We told
them we had another appointment at 11:30, they wanted us to call the other
doctor and ask if we can be late, we told them no, we wouldn't do that
because of their mistake. So at 10:15 they brought him in the back room and
he sat 1 more hour without being seen, and then we walked out. We got our
copay back and told them to copy everything in his files. I was in the
front office, and during that time she saw a drug sales rep while he was in
there waiting.
We took everything we had to my naturopath and asked him to refer us
somewhere else. He's doing that. Except this endo won't take a referral
from a naturopath. I called him basically begging him to see my husband,
told them we couldn't find a doctor that knew anything about thyroid in the
area, how sick he was and we had all these tests to back it up. They said
after the doc faxes all the records to him, he'll look it over and see if
they'll make an exception to see him. My naturopath said he would also
write a letter to help us get in too. So, looks like it's back to the
drawing board, again. Probably months to get in also. This is the 3rd
doctor fired.....still looking for someone to treat him. No more stinking
tests.......just DO something.
Sorry for the rant. I just can't believe how hard it is to find a doc with
both a brain, and common respect/curtesy. Do they exist? At least if they
can get him rendered hypo, the naturopath I go to can treat him from there.
He's very good at that portion.
Take care everyone,
Valerie

Re: TREATMENT DATE IS SET!!!!! Finally!!!!!!

2008-09-27 03:46:07

I'll be praying for you, Melissa.
Jan

TREATMENT DATE IS SET!!!!! Finally!!!!!!

2008-09-26 18:53:45

Hi Yall
Sorry I haven't posted in a while but have been trying to get things
done around her while waiting on my treatment appointment to be set up.
The nurse called me today an told me they have it set for
December 02. FINALLY!!!!! She told me they would call me with all of
the other details. I'm almost positive I will have a phone in my room
so unlike when I was in the hospital for my surgery I will wait an let
my hubby email you all to give you my number in case anyone wants to
call me.
It's gonna be a long 3 days I can feel it in my bones LOL....
I'm really excited and am looking forward to this finally being taken
care of but at the same time I AM TERRIFIED!!!!!
I'm surfing the net trying to find me some word puzzles and maybe some
short stories to print out to take with me because I assume whatever I
take with me will have to stay there.
Gotta scoot so I can get a few things done here.
Please say some prayers for me.
**Huggles**
Melissa
aka LadyBichon

Re: [ThyroidFitness] new diet drugs

2008-09-26 16:56:05

I agree with you.. makes me cringe every time I see that commercial... of
all the folks that will hurt.. especially the young girls that are
striving to look like the airbrushed photos in the magazines.
Topper (Linda)
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:00:58 -0600 (CST) jezebel56@... writes:

new diet drugs

2008-09-26 04:56:59

Hey,..have ya'll seen the new commercial for that diet drug
Cortislim..??..Supposedly it will lower your cortisol levels to help you
lose weight.How dangerous is that???...Geez...For me it would be Ok but
what about all those people that have LOW cortisol levels??...I went to
the website for the product and it is "all natural"..it has the
ingredients,I can't rememer all but green tea is one of them...I think
this is just as bad as the bodybuilders who tried Cytomel in high doses
to lose weight, then found out they did twice the damage when they went
off it.Not only did they gain a million pounds back,but screwed up their
thyroid as well....What do ya'll think??...
Deneen:):)

Fwd: Thyroid patient commits suicide.htm

2008-09-26 00:12:03

Mary Smith <marin@...

From: "Mary Smith"
To: ,
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"AmericanThyroidPatients Moderator" ,
Subject: Thyroid patient commits suicide.htm
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:15:44 -0600

We have got to help change this.

SCOOPS & NEWS

Thyroid patient commits suicide

By Rajiv Sharma,
Mumbai, November 12

In a tragic incident, a 35 year old woman, who had been suffering from thyroid for several years, ended her life by setting herself on fire in the western suburb of Borivali recently. Police sources said that Pratibha had been married to Janardhan Bhandari for almost 15 years and they had two children. She was a fisherwoman, and used to sell fish in the local market, while her husband was working as a peon in a bank.

However, the woman had been suffering from this condition for nearly nine years and had been taking treatment for it. Her family members reported that she was still in a bad condition despite the treatment, and this often led to a feeling of depression in her. On the fateful day, the woman locked herself in her house and poured kerosene on her body and then set her body on fire. Her family members immediately took her to a local hospital, where she was under treatment for some days. When her condition became serious, she was shifted to the municipal run Bhagwati Hospital, where she died of septicemia, the police said.

Commenting on the subject, Dr Shashank Joshi, consultant endocrinologist, said that depression is quite common among patients suffering from thyroid, because it this crucial hormone is released in insufficient quantities. "This reduces the drive in the patient, and he can become quite depressive," he added. Though suicide is quite rare, it does happen sometimes when the patient is unable to deal with the situation, he said.

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Re: Group Chat in the ThyroidFitness chat room, 11/20/2003, 9:00 pm

2008-09-25 16:00:30

I'm there... hope to see some of you there too... before I fall
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Re: Bee-Doctor raised your Armour

2008-09-25 13:58:52

Hi mamadeuce,
I know EXACTLY how you feel!!! Not that it is wonderful to feel like
crap too but I definately understand how you are feeling right now...
as I am too. My last labs:
9/4/03
TSH 0.685 (0.350 - 5.500)
Currently I'm on 75 mg (1 1/4 grains) of Armour. I was on Synthroid
for almost 7 years and felt awful. I was feeling much better on
Armour until the past few months. I was on 90 mg. in the beginning
of the summer and felt much better but my doctor switched me to 60
mg. based on labs. I almost immediately started getting fatigued and
did get her to raise it up to 75 mg. in August. I felt sooo much
better on 90.
I was just in her office Tuesday balling my eyes out because I've
been so bone tired (and I barely ever cry) so I must have been
feeling horrible. Needless to say, I think she thinks I'm just plain
crazy now. She thinks my labs are perfectly fine. I think
otherwise. I don't know what to do. I am considering looking into
acupuncture for energy as I heard it can do wonders (read about it in
Mary Shoman's "Living Well with Hypothyroidism"), she says she feels
so much better afterwards. Only problems is insurance doesn't pay.
I think I'm going to check it out though... I'm desperate, I'll try
almost anything about now.
Take care,
Jill

IS THIS THE SAME AS FREE T -4

2008-09-24 22:15:08

IS THIS THE SAME. fT4(INDEX) T7

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Bee-Doctor raised your Armour

2008-09-24 16:17:07

Hi!

I am not writing to advise, hopefully Bee and/or Pam will be in here soon and do that.....but, I am curious....what reason did this "doctor" give for lowering your synthroid (when you were feeling fine and your numbers were within range)?

Just wondered.

((()))
Peggy

Bee-Doctor raised your Armour

2008-09-24 15:19:51

Hope everyone is doing well. Sorry I haven't posted. Now that
football season is over for my 8th grader I will have more time
hopefully.
You are blessed Bee and Pam. Same endo right? Can I come to Indiana
and visit your endo?
My past history: Diagnosed Jan 03 at tsh 45.39.
At the end of April I was on 125 Snythroid -tsh 10.27 (0.4-5.5)
End of June 137 Snythroid -tsh 0.24 (0.4-5.5)
FT4 1.4 (0.8-1.8)
T3 167 (60-181)
Then they lowered to 112 Snythroid and it went up to tsh 4.89.
Switched to 90 Armour on Aug 13. So two months should be a pretty
good test.
Had bloodwork on 10/13/03. Currently on Armour 90 (1 1/2 grain)
tsh 2.24 ( 0.40-5.50)
Free T4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)
T3 Total 210 (60-181) I asked for Free T3 not Total
I know I should be blessed to find a doctor that would even prescribe
Armour but I still feel bad and want that tsh lower if it will give
me back my life.
I told him at my appt on 10/20/03 that I wanted a lower Tsh like 0-1.
and could he increase it and he said no because it could give me
heart palpitations etc.
So here it is 11/20/03 (2 months on Armour) and I feel like crap. I
have had to lay down everyday this week and take a nap. I am
emotional and very depressed. I called and told his asst that I am
not functioning and the holidays are here and I can't live like this.
She called back and the Doctor said absolutely no way, based on my
labs I am normal. He feels I am at the correct dosage.:-(
I just can't believe it. His normal is not my normal. Why won't he
listen to my symptoms? The Free T4 looks low. I am thinking that the
Armour needs to be raised or I need to add T3. Is this right? I am
seriously thinking about looking for a new endo.
If he won't increase the Armour should I look for a new endo or just
do what the good ole doc says and suffer?? I did feel good with my
tsh 0.24 on 137 Snythroid. I wish they would have never lowered it. I
didn't realize at the time and did what they said.
I can't believe you are up to 6 grains Bee. I feel I should be above
1 1/2 but according to the doc I shouldn't.
Any thoughts on my labs?
Thanks for letting me vent!!

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Re: which T3 test?

2008-09-24 07:15:26

Thanks so much! The girl at the doctor taking the blood said there
is no such thing as Free T3 and therefore only did TSH, free T4 and
Total T3. I am trying to call them now to add the Free T3 and that
it does exist! You were very helpful!
Good luck with the non smoking! I have been free for 19 months (and
still miss it every day!) It's one of the hardest things you'll ever
have to do, but I guess it's worth it - lol Take care

Re: hooray, i lost 5 lbs.!

2008-09-23 23:03:45

Hey!
great news! No matter what the cause for the weight loss, I am happy
for you...

Re: [ThyroidFitness] which T3 test?

2008-09-23 09:10:49

Well, if I weren't on any HRT (hormone replacement) or birth control pills, I guess I would at LEAST want: TSH, T4, T3 (in other words "total" T4 and "total" T3) but I need the Free T4 and Free T3---because I AM on HRT, and being on hormones can bind up the thyroid hormone, so I need to see the free T's to determine what my levels of thyroid hormone in my blood is.

Pam
suezeeq889 <suezeeq889@...

I recently had a T3 uptake test and many people here, and other
boards, told me it was the wrong T3 test to get. What is the right
T3 test to ask for? (free , total, I don't know) I'm especially
interested b/c I think I may need an addtion of cytomel. Also,
besides TSH and T3, what are the main thyroid level tests I should
ask for? Thanks!
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2008-09-23 03:21:23

I recently had a T3 uptake test and many people here, and other
boards, told me it was the wrong T3 test to get. What is the right
T3 test to ask for? (free , total, I don't know) I'm especially
interested b/c I think I may need an addtion of cytomel. Also,
besides TSH and T3, what are the main thyroid level tests I should
ask for? Thanks!

Re: [ThyroidFitness] hooray, i lost 5 lbs.!

2008-09-23 02:03:24

Well congrats on the weightloss, but I still hope the doc gets to the bottom of this, and that you get treated for the exhaustion....what tests are they doing? TSH, FT4, FT3, adrenals workup??

Pam
skigrlkw <skigrlkw@...

I do not allow the doctor to tell me my actual weight, but he did
tell me that I lost 5 pounds since I saw him 2 weeks ago. I wish I
knew what I could attribute it to, so I can continue doing it. My
doctor is now going to test my blood volume, to see if it is causing
my continued exhaustion. Today I stayed home from work and slept
until noon after going to sleep at 9:30 last night. The struggle
continues...
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hooray, i lost 5 lbs.!

2008-09-22 19:42:08

I do not allow the doctor to tell me my actual weight, but he did
tell me that I lost 5 pounds since I saw him 2 weeks ago. I wish I
knew what I could attribute it to, so I can continue doing it. My
doctor is now going to test my blood volume, to see if it is causing
my continued exhaustion. Today I stayed home from work and slept
until noon after going to sleep at 9:30 last night. The struggle
continues...

Your Doctor's Drug Problem~The reason drug costs are skyrocketing is that the pharmaceutical companies subsidize your doctor's continuing education

2008-09-22 15:14:36

Your Doctor's Drug Problem By ARNOLD S. RELMAN The reason drug costs are skyrocketing is that the pharmaceutical companies subsidize your doctor's continuing education. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/18/opinion/18RELM.html?th

Your Doctor's Drug Problem ~ By ARNOLD S. RELMAN [INLINE] Published: November 18, 2003

B OSTON The rising costs of pre scription drugs are driving the current debate about Medicare reform. Yet Republicans and Democrats alike may be unaware of a primary reason for this inflation: doctors are taught about drugs by agents of the pharmaceutical industry, which works hard to persuade them to select the newest and most expensive medications even in the absence of scientific evidence that they are any better than older, less costly ones.

Despite the increase in direct-to-consumer advertising, patients still rely on their doctors to choose which prescription drugs, if any, they should take. But what few of them know is that often their doctors' judgment is influenced by the companies that sell the drugs. Most medical practitioners nowadays learn which drugs to use, and how to use them, mainly from teachers and educational programs paid for by the pharmaceutical industry.

To renew their licenses, doctors in almost all states are required to enroll in continuing medical education programs, and these are now largely subsidized, directly or indirectly, by the pharmaceutical industry. There are official guidelines for keeping these programs free of commercial bias, but they are voluntary. Most of these educational programs are presented by industry-friendly experts who are selected and paid by the companies selling the drugs being discussed, and most of their talks emphasize the medical benefits of those drugs. Some of this information is useful, but much of it is simply marketing disguised as education.

Of course, the companies sponsoring continuing medical education programs deny that sales promotion is their intent. They say they merely want to help "educate" doctors by giving financial and technical help to the institutions offering the programs.

To its shame, the medical educational establishment tolerates this state of affairs. Medical schools, professional associations and hospitals that offer continuing education programs accept grants from the pharmaceutical industry and frequently allow the industry to suggest topics and speakers and help with preparation of the programs. They are reluctant to do anything that would jeopardize the industry's support.

As for the doctors attending these industry-sponsored educational programs, they like the slick presentations, which often use industry-supplied teaching materials. They also like the low or nonexistent fees, the free food, and the numerous small gifts given out at the commercial exhibits that often accompany big education events. And naturally they are confident that their own independence is wholly unaffected by all of this although surveys reveal that they are less sanguine about other doctors' ability to resist industry's blandishments.

But the companies providing the support wouldn't pour money into education unless they were confident of a return on their investment. And there is evidence that industry-sponsored programs increase the writing of prescriptions for the sponsor's products.

In this way, doctors are led to believe that new and expensive drugs are much better than older and less costly generic drugs. Sometimes this is true, but not nearly as often as the pharmaceutical industry wants doctors to think. That's why it spends so much money on helping with the "education" of doctors.

So it is not merely that the pharmaceutical industry is using doctors to sell its products. Medical schools and other educational institutions are not teaching doctors how to use drugs wisely and conservatively. Until they insist that the pharmaceutical industry stick to its own business (which can include advertising but not education), we are unlikely to get the help we need from our doctors in controlling runaway drug expenditures.

Arnold S. Relman, professor emeritus at Harvard Medical School, is former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.

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Re: Latest Labs and Question

2008-09-22 08:36:55

Lisa, I am going through the same thing - low TSH, FT3 and FT4 not so
good, and a doctor who lowered my dosage. I have no idea if I should
self-medicate and increase based on my symptoms, or decrease as the
doctor said.
Jan

Just in: No adverse reactions in lipid levels in high fat/NO starch diets.

2008-09-22 04:19:30

Just had to post this one!! Finally....they are making headway
studying lowcarb diets. Please do take notice of the "NO starch"
part,,,some people just lower their carbs and do no sugar, but still
eat a bit of starch (which IS sugar) and then find out that it
doesn't have the same effect on their lipid panels when tested. It's
very important to drop the starches on a lowcarb lifestyle if you are
trying to improve your cholesterol and triglycerides.
Pam
http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/2003/nov/7811a1.pdf
No adverse lipid effects seen with high fat, no-starch diet
Last Updated: 2003-11-17 12:39:44 -0400 (Reuters Health)
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - In a study of patients with
atherosclerosis following a high fat, no-starch diet, similar to the
Atkins diet, for 6 weeks produced weight loss without adversely
affecting lipid levels.
The study, which is reported in the November issue of Mayo Clinic
Proceedings, involved 23 obese patients with documented
atherosclerotic heart disease. All of the patients were treated with
statins, but no drug or dose changes were made during the study.
During the 6-week trial, the subjects were instructed to consume half
of their calories as saturated fat. Other food sources were permitted
with the exception of starches.
The test diet was associated with a significant 5.2% drop in both
total body weight (p < 0.001) and in body fat percentage (p = 0.02),
lead author Dr. James H. Hays and colleagues, from Christiana Care
Health Services in Newark, Delaware, note.
No changes in LDL or HDL cholesterol levels were observed with the
diet, both HDL and LDL size did increase, the authors note. Moreover,
the diet was tied to a significant reduction in total triglyceride
levels and various VLDL levels.
The test diet also appeared safe in patients with certain obesity-
related conditions. In studies involving patients with polycystic
ovary syndrome or reactive hypoglycemia and up to 52 weeks of follow-
up, the authors found that the diet produced significant weight loss
without an adverse effect on serum lipids.
A high saturated fat, no starch diet "results in weight loss after 6
weeks without adverse effects on serum lipid levels...and further
weight loss with a lipid-neutral effect may persist for up to 52
weeks," the investigators note.
"I recommend that we keep an open mind regarding the role of the
Atkins diet and continue to study its metabolic effects," Dr. Gerald
T. Gau, from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, comments in a
related editorial. At the same time, however, "we should continue to
examine the risk-benefit profiles of caloric-restricted, more
rational diets," he adds.
Mayo Clin Proc 2003;78:1331-1336.

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Latest Labs and Question

2008-09-21 16:08:20

Hi,

I'm sure quite a few here would be willing to "critique" your labs if you give the lab ranges for each test (that your particular lab used, labs have different ranges). Like this: TSH: .45 (.55-3.0). (That's just one of mine from last year and my endo's lab range).

Pam
lisamacrina <lmshaw@...

Greetings!
I haven't posted in a LONG time (life has been busy) but I thought
I'd post my latest labs. My history is diagnosed with Hashimotos
over 6 months ago, started on .088 MG of Synthroid and was not
happy with the results. Since I've upped my meds to .1 MG and
here are the labs on that dosage.
TSH: 0.005
Free T3: 2.6
Free T4: 2.2
My doctor thinks the .1MG dosage is too high, and has lowered
me back down to .088MG. I still feel fatigued, muscle and joint
soreness, sleeplessness etc. etc. Any comments on my Labs?
Also- recently I've found that I'm having problems swallowing.
More than usual. And I feel like I have strep throat, but the other
symptoms never come (flu like symptoms). Is this my thyroid- or
could it be something else?
Thanks for the input!
Lisa Macrina
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Latest Labs and Question

2008-09-21 13:09:32

Greetings!
I haven't posted in a LONG time (life has been busy) but I thought
I'd post my latest labs. My history is diagnosed with Hashimotos
over 6 months ago, started on .088 MG of Synthroid and was not
happy with the results. Since I've upped my meds to .1 MG and
here are the labs on that dosage.
TSH: 0.005
Free T3: 2.6
Free T4: 2.2
My doctor thinks the .1MG dosage is too high, and has lowered
me back down to .088MG. I still feel fatigued, muscle and joint
soreness, sleeplessness etc. etc. Any comments on my Labs?
Also- recently I've found that I'm having problems swallowing.
More than usual. And I feel like I have strep throat, but the other
symptoms never come (flu like symptoms). Is this my thyroid- or
could it be something else?
Thanks for the input!
Lisa Macrina

Head-to-Head Drug Combat~~Hopefully this will become the rule rather than the exception

2008-09-21 12:14:27

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/16/opinion/16SUN2.html?th

Head-to-Head Drug Combat

[INLINE]
Published: November 16, 2003

A clinical trial that pitted two cholesterol-lowering drugs against each other provided strong evidence last week that one worked much better than the other in curbing the volume of artery-clogging plaque. Whether that matters much in helping patients prevent heart attacks and strokes remains to be demonstrated. Even so, the test is a welcome sign that drug companies may be increasingly willing to compare their own products with competitive drugs head-to-head. Assuming such studies are objective and thorough, they can provide patients and doctors with information that has long been unavailable.

For the most part, drugs in this country are not tested against other drugs in the same class. Instead they are tested against a placebo, and if shown to be comparatively safe and effective are approved for marketing. That leaves both patients and their doctors uncertain which approved drugs are better than their competitors and whether high-priced drugs warrant their added cost compared with lower-cost alternatives.

The clinical trial reported last week involved a class of drugs known as statins, which reduce the level of cholesterol-carrying low-density lipoproteins. The trial was sponsored by Pfizer and pitted Pfizer's Lipitor, the best-selling drug in the class, against Pravachol, an earlier statin made by Bristol-Myers Squibb. Some 500 heart patients with L.D.L. levels averaging 150 milligrams per deciliter of blood, far above the recommended 100, were given one drug or the other randomly. Lipitor was known in advance to be more potent and was given in bigger doses, so it was no great surprise that Lipitor cut the average L.D.L. level to 79 while Pravachol cut it only to 110. The potentially important finding was that Lipitor stopped the buildup of plaque whereas Pravachol did not, suggesting that current guidelines might need to be lowered.

There are reasons to be cautious in interpreting these results. Pfizer's sponsorship of the trial inevitably raises the question of potential bias, but the researchers, from the respected Cleveland Clinic, say they had complete control of the study, data analysis and preparation of a scientific paper. Most important, there is no proof yet that Lipitor is any better than Pravachol at reducing heart attacks and strokes, the end result of greatest concern to patients and doctors. Bristol-Myers Squibb itself is sponsoring a study that could begin to answer that question, presumably in hopes that Pravachol will prove as good or better at reducing disease than its more potent rival. Such studies are welcome if they are performed by reputable researchers given complete independence. But in the long run it would be best if the Food and Drug Administration were given the power to require head-to-head comparisons before approving a drug for marketing.

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To PAM...Wendy's List for the GP, Endo, and Gastroenterologist

2008-09-21 05:10:33

Yep.....TSH is where I'd be crawling around, not walking, both your T4 and T3 could improve. I know a LOT of people who NEED their T3 at the top of it's given lab range, and the same for the T4. I see where you are close----but no cigar, so to speak. I also have seen patients feel even WORSE when they got closer to the "golden ring" but couldn't quite get it in their grasp. Kind of like the proverbial horse with the carrot dangled in front of it's nose.

Pam
wendy_smiling <wendysmiling@...

Re: Wendy's List for the GP, Endo, and Gastroenterologist

2008-09-20 19:28:11

Pam I will do just that.
Thanks sweetie!!!!

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Re: [ThyroidFitness] Wendy's List for the GP, Endo, and Gastroenterologist

2008-09-20 11:21:31

I think you might want to come right out and tell the endo that you NEED to get your FT4 up, you NEED to know what your FT3 is, and you NEED that TSH at 1, or below, and you NEED to have the option of being Rx'd enough thyroid hormone (both T4 AND T3) to make you NORMAL---your list is great, but I can pick out over HALF of your symptoms and feel they are attributed to your thyroid not being NORMALIZED, let alone OPTIMIZED.

My allergy symptoms, my candida symptoms were still there AFTER my TSH was a very nice, comfortable for ME .35 to .55, and my FT4, and FT3 well above the midway point.....I'm just saying as a starting place, I think it all begins with where your thyroid is at this point....I don't think you will see the bloating, the headaches, the sluggishness, inability to lose the weight, etc. etc. if you get the thyroid into the bracket YOU need it to be.

Having a doc who cannot take the initiative in getting your thyroid where it would be IF you were normal, and not a thyroid disease patient, is like having a million dollars and all the stores are closed!!

Pam
wendy_smiling <wendysmiling@...

This is what I'm taking with me next week to the GP. My Endo & gast.
appoinments are not until December, But I'm going to try to get into
the Endo asap pending cancellation. Any last comments/suggestions??
THANK YOU!
SYMPTOMS
Headaches daily for the last 7 months (at least).
Waking body temp 95.9-96.9
Stomach and abdominal bloating
Brain fog/fragmented thinking
Inability to lose weight with strict low cal diet of natural lean
meats/veggies/olive oil/lemon juice
Depression/Anxiety from being sick for the last year.
Hair loss & outer 1/3 of eyebrows
Dry skin & hair
Cold hands & feet
BAD muclepain & stiffness in neck
Increase in carpal tunnel symptoms (wrist pain)
Low sex drive
Chest pains
Worsening allergies? (headaches/food intolerances)
Brain fog/fragmented thinking - (more better days since last
Synthroid/estrogen adjustment 9/24)
Chronic fatigue - (more better days since last Synthoid/estrogen
adjustment 9/24)
Constipation - I have a BM every other day now if I take 2-4 doses of
Citrucel everyday, although T don't feel like I'm emptying completely.
HEADACHES / BLOATING
Allegy testing for headaches/stomach bloating wheat and other foods
(skin prick tests)
Cat scan head-sinuses?
Do I need my kidneys checked?
Test for enzymes/ parasites?
I want a CA-125 blood test
"Have you had the skin prick test for allergies??? Especially to
wheat?? And other foods. I am SO allergic to so many foods, but by
the third week of no wheat, no glutens, my headaches are GONE, my
belly isn't swollen as if I'm ready to give birth, I feel so much
better."
THYROID
Armour - instead of or in addition to Synthroid
HGH stimulation test - was is completely normal or not low enough to
be treated? (get copy)
Antibody testing?
Iron count?
Are red blood cells smaller according to the mpv test?
My testosterone free was .25 (I'm menopausal and the lab range is "up
to .18") - It was marked "ok" (why?)
My anion gap was high (what does that mean)?
My mpv was low (what does that mean)?
What test made you want to do a HGH stim?
I want a CA-125 blood test
COMMENTS FROM THYROID PATIENTS
"I still feel as if your TSH is much too high at 1.31, and your FT4
too low at .90. I was bloated, and miserable until my TSH hit and
stayed at .35 -.55 and until my FT4 and FT3 (I have great
conversion...am lucky) were almost at the top of their ranges. THEN
the lowcarb plan WORKED, the exercise worked, everything worked. I
sure hope your doc gets your numbers in a good place for you soon. I
can't understand why your doc won't trial you on some Armour instead
of Synthroid. Or at least get FT's and try and do a T4-T3 combo
synthetic."
"You still haven't had the right tests. You can stim okay for
cortisol and still have cushing's disease." Youe free testosterone is
high which is indicative of hyperandrongenism. You need a 24 hour
urine for cortisol, 17-hydroxy steroids, 17 ketosteroids. If you have
cystic disease it's a little tougher but these are the gold standard
of getting it.
CA-125 BLOOD TEST FOR OVARIAN CANCER
This is the story of Kathy West.
As all of you know, I have Primary Peritoneal Cancer. This cancer has
only recently been identified as its OWN type of cancer, but it is
essentially Ovarian Cancer. Both types of cancer are diagnosed in the
same way, with the "tumor marker" CA-125 BLOOD TEST, and they are
treated in the same way-surgery to remove the primary tumor and then
chemotherapy with Taxol and Carboplatin. Having gone through this
ordeal, I want to save others from the same fate. One thing I have
learned is that each of us must take TOTAL responsibility for our own
health care.
When I had a total hysterectomy in 1993, I thought that I did not
have to worry about getting any of the female reproductive organ
cancers. I was wrong. LITTLE DID I KNOW. I don't have ovaries (and
they were HEALTHY when they were removed), but I have what is
essentially ovarian cancer. Strange, isn't it? These are just SOME of
the things our Doctors never tell us: ONE out of every 55 women will
get OVARIAN or PRIMARY PERITONEAL CANCER.
The "CLASSIC" symptoms are an ABDOMEN that rather SUDDENLY ENLARGES
and CONSTIPATION and/or DIARRHEA. I had these classic symptoms and
went to the doctor. Because these symptoms seemed to be "abdominal,"
I went to a gastrolenterologist He ran tests that were designed to
determine whether there was a bacteria infection; these tests were
negative, and I was diagnosed with "Irritable Bowel Syndrome."
I guess I would have accepted this diagnosis had it not been for my
enlarged abdomen. I swear to you, it looked like I was 4-5 months
pregnant! I therefore insisted on more tests. They took an X-ray of
my abdomen; it was negative. I was again assured that I had Irritable
Bowel Syndrome and was encouraged to go on my scheduled month-long
trip to Europe. I couldn't wear any of my slacks or shorts because I
couldn't get them buttoned, and I KNEW something was radically
wrong. I INSISTED on more tests, and they reluctantly scheduled me
for a CT-Scan (just to shut me up, I think). This is what I mean
by "taking charge of our own health care."
The CT-Scan showed a lot of fluid in my abdomen (NOT normal).
Needless to say, I had to cancel my trip and have FIVE POUNDS of
fluid drained off at the hospital (not a pleasant procedure, I
assure you), but NOTHING compared to what was ahead of me. Tests
revealed cancer cells in the fluid. Finally, finally, finally, the
doctor ran a CA-125 blood test, and I was properly diagnosed.
I HAD THE CLASSIC SYMPTOMS FOR OVARIAN CANCER, AND YET THIS SIMPLE
CA-125 BLOOD TEST HAD NEVER BEEN RUN ON ME, not as part of my
annual physical exam and not when I was symptomatic. This Is an
inexpensive and simple blood test! Be forewarned that their doctors
might try to talk them out of it, saying, IT ISN'T NECESSARY.
Believe me, had I known then what I know now, we would have caught
my cancer much earlier (before it was a stage 3 cancer).
Insist on the CA-125 BLOOD TEST; DO NOT take "NO" for an answer!
The normal range for a CA-125 BLOOD TEST is between zero and 35.
MINE WAS 754. (That's right, 754!). If the number is slightly
above 35, you can have another done in three or six months and keep
a close eye on it, just as women do when they have fibroid tumors or
when men have a slightly elevated PSA test (Prostatic Specific
Antigens) that helps diagnose prostate cancer. Having the CA-125
test done annually can alert you early, and that's the goal in
diagnosing any type of cancer-catching it early.
A NOTE FROM THE RN:
Well, after reading this, I made some calls. I found that the CA-125
test is an ovarian screening test equivalent to a man's PSA test
prostate screen (which my husband's doctor automatically gives him in
his physical each year and insurance pays for it).
I called the general practitioner's office about having the test
done. The nurse had never heard of it. She told me
that she doubted that insurance would pay for it. So I called
Prudential Insurance Co., and got the same response. Never heard of
it-it won't be covered. I explained that it was the same as the PSA
test they had paid for my husband for years. After conferring with
whomever they confer with, she told me that the CA-125 would be
covered. It is $75 in a GP's office and $125 at the GYN's. This is a
screening test that should be required just like a PAP smear (a PAP
smear cannot detect problems with your ovaries). And you must insist
that your insurance company pay for it.
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Wendy's List for the GP, Endo, and Gastroenterologist

2008-09-20 03:38:52

This is what I'm taking with me next week to the GP. My Endo & gast.
appoinments are not until December, But I'm going to try to get into
the Endo asap pending cancellation. Any last comments/suggestions??
THANK YOU!
SYMPTOMS
Headaches daily for the last 7 months (at least).
Waking body temp 95.9-96.9
Stomach and abdominal bloating
Brain fog/fragmented thinking
Inability to lose weight with strict low cal diet of natural lean
meats/veggies/olive oil/lemon juice
Depression/Anxiety from being sick for the last year.
Hair loss & outer 1/3 of eyebrows
Dry skin & hair
Cold hands & feet
BAD muclepain & stiffness in neck
Increase in carpal tunnel symptoms (wrist pain)
Low sex drive
Chest pains
Worsening allergies? (headaches/food intolerances)
Brain fog/fragmented thinking - (more better days since last
Synthroid/estrogen adjustment 9/24)
Chronic fatigue - (more better days since last Synthoid/estrogen
adjustment 9/24)
Constipation - I have a BM every other day now if I take 2-4 doses of
Citrucel everyday, although T don't feel like I'm emptying completely.
HEADACHES / BLOATING
Allegy testing for headaches/stomach bloating wheat and other foods
(skin prick tests)
Cat scan head-sinuses?
Do I need my kidneys checked?
Test for enzymes/ parasites?
I want a CA-125 blood test
"Have you had the skin prick test for allergies??? Especially to
wheat?? And other foods. I am SO allergic to so many foods, but by
the third week of no wheat, no glutens, my headaches are GONE, my
belly isn't swollen as if I'm ready to give birth, I feel so much
better."
THYROID
Armour - instead of or in addition to Synthroid
HGH stimulation test - was is completely normal or not low enough to
be treated? (get copy)
Antibody testing?
Iron count?
Are red blood cells smaller according to the mpv test?
My testosterone free was .25 (I'm menopausal and the lab range is "up
to .18") - It was marked "ok" (why?)
My anion gap was high (what does that mean)?
My mpv was low (what does that mean)?
What test made you want to do a HGH stim?
I want a CA-125 blood test
COMMENTS FROM THYROID PATIENTS
"I still feel as if your TSH is much too high at 1.31, and your FT4
too low at .90. I was bloated, and miserable until my TSH hit and
stayed at .35 -.55 and until my FT4 and FT3 (I have great
conversion...am lucky) were almost at the top of their ranges. THEN
the lowcarb plan WORKED, the exercise worked, everything worked. I
sure hope your doc gets your numbers in a good place for you soon. I
can't understand why your doc won't trial you on some Armour instead
of Synthroid. Or at least get FT's and try and do a T4-T3 combo
synthetic."
"You still haven't had the right tests. You can stim okay for
cortisol and still have cushing's disease." Youe free testosterone is
high which is indicative of hyperandrongenism. You need a 24 hour
urine for cortisol, 17-hydroxy steroids, 17 ketosteroids. If you have
cystic disease it's a little tougher but these are the gold standard
of getting it.
CA-125 BLOOD TEST FOR OVARIAN CANCER
This is the story of Kathy West.
As all of you know, I have Primary Peritoneal Cancer. This cancer has
only recently been identified as its OWN type of cancer, but it is
essentially Ovarian Cancer. Both types of cancer are diagnosed in the
same way, with the "tumor marker" CA-125 BLOOD TEST, and they are
treated in the same way-surgery to remove the primary tumor and then
chemotherapy with Taxol and Carboplatin. Having gone through this
ordeal, I want to save others from the same fate. One thing I have
learned is that each of us must take TOTAL responsibility for our own
health care.
When I had a total hysterectomy in 1993, I thought that I did not
have to worry about getting any of the female reproductive organ
cancers. I was wrong. LITTLE DID I KNOW. I don't have ovaries (and
they were HEALTHY when they were removed), but I have what is
essentially ovarian cancer. Strange, isn't it? These are just SOME of
the things our Doctors never tell us: ONE out of every 55 women will
get OVARIAN or PRIMARY PERITONEAL CANCER.
The "CLASSIC" symptoms are an ABDOMEN that rather SUDDENLY ENLARGES
and CONSTIPATION and/or DIARRHEA. I had these classic symptoms and
went to the doctor. Because these symptoms seemed to be "abdominal,"
I went to a gastrolenterologist He ran tests that were designed to
determine whether there was a bacteria infection; these tests were
negative, and I was diagnosed with "Irritable Bowel Syndrome."
I guess I would have accepted this diagnosis had it not been for my
enlarged abdomen. I swear to you, it looked like I was 4-5 months
pregnant! I therefore insisted on more tests. They took an X-ray of
my abdomen; it was negative. I was again assured that I had Irritable
Bowel Syndrome and was encouraged to go on my scheduled month-long
trip to Europe. I couldn't wear any of my slacks or shorts because I
couldn't get them buttoned, and I KNEW something was radically
wrong. I INSISTED on more tests, and they reluctantly scheduled me
for a CT-Scan (just to shut me up, I think). This is what I mean
by "taking charge of our own health care."
The CT-Scan showed a lot of fluid in my abdomen (NOT normal).
Needless to say, I had to cancel my trip and have FIVE POUNDS of
fluid drained off at the hospital (not a pleasant procedure, I
assure you), but NOTHING compared to what was ahead of me. Tests
revealed cancer cells in the fluid. Finally, finally, finally, the
doctor ran a CA-125 blood test, and I was properly diagnosed.
I HAD THE CLASSIC SYMPTOMS FOR OVARIAN CANCER, AND YET THIS SIMPLE
CA-125 BLOOD TEST HAD NEVER BEEN RUN ON ME, not as part of my
annual physical exam and not when I was symptomatic. This Is an
inexpensive and simple blood test! Be forewarned that their doctors
might try to talk them out of it, saying, IT ISN'T NECESSARY.
Believe me, had I known then what I know now, we would have caught
my cancer much earlier (before it was a stage 3 cancer).
Insist on the CA-125 BLOOD TEST; DO NOT take "NO" for an answer!
The normal range for a CA-125 BLOOD TEST is between zero and 35.
MINE WAS 754. (That's right, 754!). If the number is slightly
above 35, you can have another done in three or six months and keep
a close eye on it, just as women do when they have fibroid tumors or
when men have a slightly elevated PSA test (Prostatic Specific
Antigens) that helps diagnose prostate cancer. Having the CA-125
test done annually can alert you early, and that's the goal in
diagnosing any type of cancer-catching it early.
A NOTE FROM THE RN:
Well, after reading this, I made some calls. I found that the CA-125
test is an ovarian screening test equivalent to a man's PSA test
prostate screen (which my husband's doctor automatically gives him in
his physical each year and insurance pays for it).
I called the general practitioner's office about having the test
done. The nurse had never heard of it. She told me
that she doubted that insurance would pay for it. So I called
Prudential Insurance Co., and got the same response. Never heard of
it-it won't be covered. I explained that it was the same as the PSA
test they had paid for my husband for years. After conferring with
whomever they confer with, she told me that the CA-125 would be
covered. It is $75 in a GP's office and $125 at the GYN's. This is a
screening test that should be required just like a PAP smear (a PAP
smear cannot detect problems with your ovaries). And you must insist
that your insurance company pay for it.

WENDY Armour and (or instead) of Synthroid.

2008-09-19 20:46:50

Armour contains T4, T3, T2, T1 and Calcitonin (calcitonin helps the body
move calcium from the blood into the bones), all the same components that
our thyroids naturally produce. It's derived from the thyroid gland of
Pigs. Synthroid contains only Synthetic T4. Some people add T4 to their
Armour, they need the extra T4, but for most folks Armour seems to be
better than synthetics....
The info that Genie gave you was the comparisons between the two as far
as dosage.. so that you would know how much Armour to take to replace the
Synthroid that you are taking now.
It gets confusing... so don't hesitate to ask questions if it doesn't
make sense.. we've all had the same problem at one time or another and
this is serious business so you want to be sure that you are
understanding it all correctly.
Topper (Linda)
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:05:37 -0000 "wendy_smiling" <wendysmiling@...

Re: WENDY Armour and (or instead) of Synthroid.

2008-09-19 16:09:06

With all the people that have told me I should try armour, I was
under the impression that it should be used instead of synthroid and
not in addition to it. It's been siggested that maybe I'm synthroid
resistant (shrug)? I'm confused beacuse I thought armour was a t3 ans
t4 med.

Article on why Leptin may not cure obesity after all......

2008-09-19 03:17:42

http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/8525697700573E1885256DDC
006A369D?
OpenDocument&id=89B1BCD87ED85AA585256C4000183344&c=Obesity&count=10
SFN: Leptin May Not Cure Obesity After All
By Glynn Wilson
NEW ORLEANS, LA -- November 12, 2003 -- The protein hormone leptin
may not be the wonder drug to cure the world's rising obesity
problem, as some researchers had previously thought, according to a
study presented here November 8th at the Society for Neuroscience
33rd Annual Meeting.
Leptin does not work in humans, stated lead author, Nina Eikelis, BSc
(Hons), an Australian doctoral student at the Baker Heart Research
Institute, Melbourne, Australia. Ms. Eikelis' paper was co-authored
by Gavin Lambert, PhD, laboratory head, and Murray Esler, MD, head,
Cardiovascular Neuroscience Division.
"It was thought that obesity was probably due to the fact that leptin
cannot cross to the brain and tell the brain to stop eating," stated
Ms. Eikelis. "In fact, leptin may be released by the brain."
The International Obesity Task Force estimates that 300 million
people worldwide are obese, making them subject to diabetes,
infertility, sleep apnea, cardiovascular problems and premature death.
The causes of obesity have been traced to heredity, metabolic
disorders (such as an underactive thyroid), bad social habits due to
increased prosperity, psychological factors, and, most recently, an
energy imbalance, leading researchers to look at the protein hormone
leptin.
Leptin is known to act in the brain at the level of the hypothalamus
to reduce the appetite and stimulate thermogenesis. In lab mice,
administration of leptin results in significant weight reduction.
"We thought leptin was going to be a great anti-obesity drug. Given
to any animal, lean or obese, it reduces their body weight," Ms.
Eikelis said. "But it does not work in most humans."
There are a small number of humans who do not produce leptin, Ms.
Eikelis noted, so it might work in that small number of cases.
While other researchers have come to believe that human obesity is a
state of leptin resistance, evidence from animal and human studies
now indicate that leptin is derived from non-adipose stores, such as
the pituitary gland, the placenta and the stomach.
This study investigated extra-adipocyte leptin release and whether it
is changed in obesity by looking at arteriovenous blood sampling to
test for leptin release to plasma from individual organs. Two groups
of healthy male volunteers were recruited for the study to avoid the
confounding influence of gender.
Using well-established catheter methods, the coronary sinus, renal
vein, internal jugular vein and hepatic vein were reached with a
fluoroscopic control to look for serotonin turnover in the brain.
A surprising finding was that no leptin overflow was found into the
coronary sinus of the heart. Also unexpected was the finding that no
net release of leptin was found into the hepatic vein. The proportion
of plasma leptin deriving from brain leptin release into the jugular
veins was surprisingly large (
men than lean men.
The authors concluded that the higher leptin levels in obese patients
were due to a higher leptin secretion rate, not a reduction in leptin
clearance, as had been previously predicted.
By demonstrating brain leptin release, the authors say they have
disproved "the notion that leptin resistance exists in human obesity
due to failure of leptin to enter the brain and exert its effects in
the hypothalamus."
The results of the study suggest that safety signals are not
deficient in obese individuals after all, so researchers should look
for other causes of obesity, and alternative treatments.
[Study title: Brain Leptin Overflow and Serotonin Turnover in Human
Obesity. Abstract 231.6]
Of course, I still don't like these tests using "males" instead of
both males and females...but.....oh well, nothing I can do about it,
lol.
Pam

WENDY Armour

2008-09-19 03:09:35

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:14:12 -0000
From: "wendy_smiling" <wendysmiling@...
You Wrote:
"I'm going on generic Armour when I go back to the doc. (Can't afford the
brand name on my insurance)If she won't put me on it, I'm going to another
doc. What the hell could it hurt? She's been trying synthroid on me since July
and I've had ZERO improvement.

Dear Wendy,
Go to www.comcare.com - to obtain a FREE discount prescription
membership card that can be used at Target, Wal-Mart, Walgreens, etc..
Ask your doc to RX Armour in 100 tablet amounts. (Just purchased a refill
via Target. Cost was a bit over $14. 100 tabs last OVER THREE MONTHS!)

Do *NOT* purchase the "generic" ! Desiccated thyroid must be assayed
for T4 and T3. Armour IS assayed, and at $5/month it's pretty darn
reasonable! (PS: Our insurance company is a royal screw, too...
Their co-pay for 30 tablets of Armour is $30 - which is why we request
that ALL Rx's are written with 100 tabs, use the ComCare discount card,
and pay cash.) If you live near a Costco, they too have great prices.

Remember the conversion: For every 50 mcg of Synthroid, you will need
30 MG of Armour (expressed as: 1/2 grain). If you are taking 100 mcg,
you will need 60 MG of Armour (1 grain), and so on...

Hope this is helpful, and you'll feel better soon, Wendy!
Good Luck Kiddo!
Genie

Re: Still gaining weight - and TSH is 0.01

2008-09-18 23:05:28

I, too, am still gaining weighht, even though my TSH is 1.8. I do
not, however, have the energy to exercise so I haven't been. It
would be nice if I could loose weight, but at this point I would
settle for not gaining weight. It is really frustrating!

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Dr Seuss on aging

2008-09-18 11:01:01

You mean like this:

[INLINE]

Topper (Linda) aka ThyroGeek

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:42:57 -0600 "Donna Sauvageau" <marykay@...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, if only I were computer savy enough, I would change this to "The Cat in the Hat on Hashi's!!!

Enjoy the giggle! And I certainly hope no one takes offense............

Donna

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Dr Seuss on aging]

2008-09-18 08:42:14

That was GREAT...thanks....did pass that one on.....lmao

Peggy

Dr Seuss on aging]

2008-09-18 05:15:43

oops, I suppose it would have helped if I would have included the graphic huh! What's the line. "My memory shrinks, or stinks!"

Donna

Dr Seuss on aging

2008-09-17 20:12:39

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, if only I were computer savy enough, I would change this to "The Cat in the Hat on Hashi's!!!

Enjoy the giggle! And I certainly hope no one takes offense............

Donna

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Blood Test Results

2008-09-17 13:35:14

Peggy,
Your free T3 is really low. You should be in the upper 1/2 of the range,
your barely at the lowest end. How are you feeling?
Valerie

Blood Test Results

2008-09-17 07:45:52

Well, after 2 weeks of calling and writing, I finally received a copy of my blood test from Oct. 21 (after 3 months of Cytomel). I am disappointed, cause it doesn't state a range for TSH.......looks like the actual reading was .25 L

It was in the "out of range" column, so , I guess the L is supposed to indicate "low"????

Free T3 was 233 (range 230-420)

Free T4 was 1.2 (range .8-1.8)

Doc had circled TSH and noted at bottom, "on Cytomel, ok for now"

So, Pam, Bee, anyone else, what do ya think?????

Peggy

Re: Hi all

2008-09-17 03:05:34

Welcome, Donna! Good job on the weight loss.
Jan

Re: Hash/ Graves

2008-09-16 21:07:40

How long have you been on this dosage for?
Jan

Re: Still feel like crap....vent (whine)

2008-09-16 14:06:04

I can relate.
I am just so depressed about the weight gain. I can barely bring
myself to eat. I just feel like giving up.
This TSH of 0.01 is the icing on the cake. The doctor is not gonna
help me now, she is gonna say I am gaining because I am lazy and
overeat and make me cut down on the meds.
And today, a fitness magazine I subscribe to arrived with a TV
actress on the cover who lost 22lb because she got treatment for
hypothyroidism. The magazine is mocking me.
Jan

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Hash/ Graves

2008-09-16 07:43:52

Poor Kim,
Three months seems like eternity when you're feeling so badly, doesn't it? Well, just stay tough and be kind to yourself. It will get better. Be sure to post your blood test results here, for additional remarks.

Peggy

Hash/ Graves

2008-09-16 00:51:12

Well I got a phone call from my doctor this morning about my
TSH and she went on to tell me that it has to come way down like be
low a five and it is 34.9 right now. going to do more blood work in
about three weeks and go from their i the mea time I stay on 100mg of
synthroid. Still feel tired and strange head gets to feeling funny but
they tell me not to worry kind of hard to do.
Kim

Still gaining weight - and TSH is 0.01

2008-09-15 20:37:40

I forgot to mention that - I am still gaining. Gained 4lb this month.
I even tried switching my diet around, slashing calories, and I've
been working out like a mad woman, even running which I hate.
So I am really not hyperT, does that mean somehting awful is going on
with my pituitary?
Jan

Re: Question-Introduction

2008-09-15 18:13:14

Try changing your exercise routine. Try weight lifting, change the
walking for biking or swimming or tennis or whatever. The body gets
used to any activity very fast.
Jan

Re: 7 months of heachaches... when will they go away????

2008-09-15 03:15:14

I think allergy tsting may be next. I can't recall the last time I
ate wheat. Probably at least 2 weeks since I snuck a bite od hubby's
toast. I never consume it regularly since low carbing.
I get the sudden bloating. One example: I wake up just fine and all
of a sudden at 10am I'm so huge that my pants seams are stretching
and I'm doing the pregant lady walk. It doesn't go away for several
days. I did have 3/4 oz of american cheese yesterday (shrug)? I swear
sometimes I just want to throw in the dietary towel. Nothing I do
food wise seems to make a difference. I have had more days w/o
bloating on KISS. One thing I'm grateful for... my compulsive
overeating and bulimia are cured as long as I eat low carb. I was one
of those that would eat huge amounts in my sleep & not know it until
& saw the remains of the food laying out when I got up in the morning.
(ugh)!
I'm going on generic Armour when I go back to the doc. (Can't afford
the brand name on my insurance)If she won't put me on it, I'm going
to another doc. What the hell could it hurt? She's been trying
synthroid on me since July and I've had ZERO improvement.
Thanks Pam, I'm grateful for you and CONGRATS on reaching GOAL!

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Hi all

2008-09-15 02:51:36

Hi Donna,

Welcome to the group.....lots of people here with thyroid disease, and we are learning together.

Pam
mimi199717 <mimi199717@...

My name is Donna and I'm from Benton Ark. I'm 43, married and have 3
grown kids and 4 grandkids. I found out I had a thyroid problem 2 yrs.
ago when I went to the dr. and the dr. thought I was having a heart
attack and put me in the hosp. I take 112mg synthyroid daily.I've
been on a low carb diet for a couple of months and have lost 17 lbs.
so far. It sure is hard tho. When I started my new job 4 yrs. ago I
gain about 30lbs cause I sit alot and its a small office. I want to
lose about 50lbs.
So thats a little about me glad to be here and thank you for letting
me join.
mimi199717 (donna)
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Re: [ThyroidFitness] Still feel like crap....vent (whine)

2008-09-14 18:51:36

At calories that low while hypo, you may do what I did and have your body shut down. I had a quack put me on 600 calories a day and because I was hypo and my body was already in stress mode, I just got really sick. I now know on low carb, the lowest I should go is 1600 calories a day. Just a thought.

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Hi all

2008-09-14 11:44:38

My name is Donna and I'm from Benton Ark. I'm 43, married and have 3
grown kids and 4 grandkids. I found out I had a thyroid problem 2 yrs.
ago when I went to the dr. and the dr. thought I was having a heart
attack and put