Adding selenium for T3 uptake (Odor)

2007-12-31 22:25:39

Hi,

I buy the Twinlab Daily One (with NO stinky smell, lol) and my "Health From the Sun" EFA's, and my Lindbergh brand powdered cal/mag from www.nutritionexpress.com. Because.....I'm cheap!! Seriously, go to a GNC, or a drugstore and price those particular brands of supplements (except the Lindbergh, that's NE's "house" brand) and then go to that site, just amazing price difference!!

That site also has some good grade ALL whey protein powder, too (no soy) at a good price, but really look first at the labels to make sure there is NO lecithin or soy. I AM allergic to sugar, flour, rice, potatoes, starch---as in my "allergy" produces weight gain.

At the moment I am playing "washing machine" in order to get some more fat off of me. It involves throwing in a load of fat in my body, and then following it by filling up with about 120 ounces of water a day----I'll be five pounds down by next week. [INLINE]

Pam
mama of two <mamadeuce4him@...

The only problem for me is I do not like Brazil nuts at all. Too bad
pecans and cashews don't have selenium. Ha!
I always said if I were stranded on an island I would starve because
I would not touch shrimp or any seafood. Sorry you are allergic to
seafood. I wish I was allergic to chocolate and sweets.;-)
I don't like any of those goitrogenic foods listed except for
broccoli and peanuts. That's a good thing right!!
As for the odor of the selenium...maybe it is this particular brand,
it is Bluebonnet Yeast-Free 200mcg. I will definately be trying a
different brand next time.
Pam, where can I find the powdered vitamins you mentioned? I know the
absorption would be so much better.

Adding selenium for T3 uptake (Odor)

2007-12-31 20:59:28

The problem with the Brazil nuts grown here in the US is that the soil doesn't have enough selenium left in it, therefore you have to track down Brazil nuts from Brazil!! As my antibodies were well over 7500 (now at 4500 and holding, lol) Brazil nuts just weren't doing the trick!!

I'm trying to find the link where it says that in order to get 150mcg. of selenium from Brazil nuts grown in this country, you would have to eat the equivalent of about 1200 calories worth of them!!!

I'm allergic to seafood, too-----the last time I tried to eat shrimp and scallops, I got to stay in the ER for anaphylaxis!! A real bummer when you are a lowcarber!!

Pam
carmentinez <carmentinez@...

You can try taking selenium from natural sources like brazil nuts. It
tastes good and hasn't odor.
I started one week ago and with 4 nuts the efect is incredible
(because an allergy I can't take seafood and I have been depleting my
reserves with breastfeeding).
Carmen

Re: Adding selenium for T3 uptake (Odor)

2007-12-31 10:33:41

You can try taking selenium from natural sources like brazil nuts. It
tastes good and hasn't odor.
I started one week ago and with 4 nuts the efect is incredible
(because an allergy I can't take seafood and I have been depleting my
reserves with breastfeeding).
Carmen

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"Intrinsic imperfections of endocrine replacement therapy"

2007-12-30 17:17:24

Hi, All!

Someone just posted this link on About Thyroid. For all of us with symptoms that fly in the face of our lab numbers, this is the Holy Grail. This link is to the abstract, but there is a link at the bottom which takes you to the free full text in PDF format.

On out Texas site, I have put it in "Links" under "Testing." I hope that the folks on the other state sites will do the same.

(((Hugs!))) and (((Oinks!))) to All!

jan

Intrinsic imperfections of endocrine replacement therapy
For all of you who are still feeling hypo even though your numbers and your doc say you are fine, read this abstract and print it out. It may even be worthwhile to download the free full text. Abstract of article in European Journal of Endocrinology dealing with the inadequacy of endocrine hormone replacement therapies and testing modalities.
http://www.eje.org/eje/149/eje1490091.htm

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Armour Docs &amp; other doctor searches...

2007-12-30 12:47:40

Thanks for the reminder, Suzy,

Here is also the link to the page of a lot of doctor search links to check out including this one and the one at about.com from my msn group...Hugs, Bee

http://groups.msn.com/ThyroidHealthFitness/thyroiddrugdoctorsearchamprecallinfo.msnw
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For anyone wanting to unsubscribe...

2007-12-30 05:20:20

There is an unsubscribe link on every e mail you recieve from the group...to change your mail to no mail or daily digest, on the home page at the group...there is a hyper link that says edit my membership (to change mail ststus) and also one that says leave group (to leave the group)...click on either of these and follow the intructions to make the changes that you want to make...Hugs, Bee

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Armour Docs

2007-12-30 03:33:20

Check out this link to find a doctor near you.
SuzyQ
http://www.armourthyroid.com/locate.html

RE: [ThyroidFitness]The book

2007-12-29 23:04:25

val

My dr tested the cortisol level with blood work. Is that not a good way to test. I am ordering the book to read.I have read that if you have adrenal problems you are supposed to address that before handling the thyroid(i think that was in schwarzbein)

Ileen

The senses

2007-12-29 10:51:09

Do our senses come back or get better when we have our thyroid hormone levels better or optimized? I think my hearing and sense of smell are better and my vision may be.

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Wendy Webb Osterloh

Re: [ThyroidFitness] A bit more on hypERthyroid and my thyroid storm

2007-12-29 03:34:38

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:08:47 +0000 "V. Rae Garner"
<rgarner722@...
There really don't seem to be a lot of folks here that have been through
hyper.. I wish there were, it would be interesting to compare notes!
hehehehe
The symptoms creep up slowly... takes a long time for them to show
themselves and the person doesn't usually notice them, because they come
on so gradually. Unless/until it storms. My boyfriend at the time
commented on my twitching and legs and feet moving.. I never noticed it.
Have someone else touch him then. The excess heat is given off by the
muscles. Some of the muscle twitching/movement at first is too slight for
anyone to notice but it does produce heat.. that same way we heat up and
sweat when we exercise or work hard, muscles in motion/at work produce
heat. That is why a hyper person avoids heat and warmth.. for me I was
running around in just a short sleeved shirt when everyone else wore
coats.. I felt warm and they were cold.
Wig out is a good term.. My endo and I figured I had been hyper for years
and then the thyroid finally went nuts. But it still wasn't overnight. I
got more of an appetite.. brushed it off because I was lifting weights
and had a pretty physical job and was in a blossoming relationship and
doing more active stuff after work. I was losing weight.. at first that
was good. But then it was too fast. As it progressed I found that if I
didn't eat when my stomach started growling I got the most awful
headaches and the only way to make them go away is to sit down and eat.
And it had to be food.. not just junk (I worked for a vending company at
the time and junk was readily available). My thirst increased and I
started carrying bottles of water in the truck with me to be able to keep
drinking. The deciding factor, for me, was when I made a delivery at an
office building. Third floor, elevator, one trip. And was so thirsty that
I stopped to get a drink at a drinking fountain by the elevator. I NEVER
drink from them because the cold water hitting my teeth hurts - I have
had temp sensitive teeth since if first got teeth. Can't let ice cream or
ice cubes or anything like that touch them or it hurts..... Yet I was so
thirsty that I had to drink from a fountain until my teeth screamed.. I
couldn't wait until I got down to my truck.. 2 minutes away... That
scared me, on top of everything else. My paternal grandmother and my
dad's second cousin were diabetic and I was larger than average size and
was told I was at risk.... I put the symptoms together and feared
diabetes... I made an appointment to be tested. It was negative. BUT..
I've since found that all the symptoms that I was having all pointed
toward hyperthyroid.. yet was not tested.
Yes, three forms of treatment.. the drugs are designed to slow the
thyroid down. The are not actual thyroid hormones to reduce production of
the gland.. but drugs that slow it.. treatment is supposed to take up to
six months. The goal is to slow the production of the gland back down to
'normal' levels. With surgery they hope to remove part of the gland.
Leaving in enough to provide normal hormone production. This is for the
genetic type of hyperactivity I had... For cancers and other diseases
they try to remove the entire gland. Then there is RAI. The ideal there
is to give enough Radioactive iodine to kill part of the thyroid, aiming
for reduced production but no dependance on replacement therapy. But it's
way too 'iffy' to get the right dose. To determine how much of the
thyroid was killed in my case I had to wait 6 months after treatment
until all of the excess hormone was out of my body tissues and they were
able to determine that I had no thyroid function at all. So, for me... I
went from hyperthyroid with a resting pulse of 160 and a calorie intake
of 25 to 30 thousand a day to someone with a resting pulse of 55 and no
appetite and gaining weight at a rate faster than I'd lost it.
I didnt' have a choice in treatments.. they said that it was RAI
immediately or die... They told me that even with RAI I could still die
before my body slowed down.
They only did one scan.. some type of an uptake. They gave me a capsule
filled with liquid to swallow and then I had to lay on a table, in a hall
way, with a 'thing' aimed at my neck. The thing was doing a scan on the
thyroid as it absorbed the iodine concoction they gave me. If the scan
showed a perfectly solid gland then I was told I had no cancer. If there
were shadows then we had problems. Well mine showed a perfectly doubled
in size thyroid gland... so off the table and over to the counter to sign
release forms and then into a small room. They brought the capsule up in
a lead box and the female tech, wearing a lead apron and gloves, that
gave it to me set it down and explained how to open it and then left the
room.
I did, for quite a while... they teased me about being super woman.. but
after a while the body just gets so tired. My endo said that the best way
to describe it is that as far as your body is concerned it is running a
marathon every minute of every hour of every day of every week... After a
while it is just plain exhausted. The muscles continue to twitch and fire
even if you're able to sleep, triggered by the excess thyroid and other
hormones that the thyroid hormones regulate. She said that I was
extremely lucky. Because of being a body builder and understanding
nutrition and muscle growth and listening to the body as it tells what it
needs I was able to keep it fed. When I craved protein I chowed on meats,
when I craved vitamins or minerals or something I was slinging down
fruits and vegies. When I needed just calories to replace those that were
burning up I ate sweets.
My routine the last few weeks included a case of snickers bars on my
first run at work.. that was between breakfast and morning break. Twenty
four candy bars eaten in an hour and a half (that's roughly one every
three minutes -rip off the wrapper, eat it, grab another, rip off the
wrapper, eat it - for an hour and a half.) Except I wasn't just driving.
I was making deliveries. So I was scarfing down the bars in between
stops.... every morning for weeks.... along with all the others meals
that I ate.. and I was still losing weight so fast people could see....
My Endo said that I chose Snickers bars for the nuts, the minerals and
protein. They aren't even close to a favorite candy bar.. I'd pick a
Mounds bar first.. but that didn't provide what my body needed.
With eating all that food, my body also had to process it and I seemed
toward last that all I did was eat and go to the bathroom. Normal in the
bathroom... but 10 times as many trips for everything that my body was
processing and had to be eliminate.
I hope you know that I'm not trying to scare you.. I only want you to
know how it happened with me so that you know what to look for, that it's
VERY important to have TSH tested as well as T4 and T3, to be aware of
what things to watch for so that he can be helped/treated before things
get as bad as they did for me....
Having been hyper and ending up storming, and being hypo, even going
years without meds and getting really bad.... I would rather be hypo than
go through another storm like that... My body tried to eat itself. And
even though I tried as hard as I could to care for it... it was
eventually going to starve to death. My endo said that most folks died
long before their symptoms were as extreme as mine. And mine only got as
bad as they did because the first doctor ignored me and my symptoms and
told me to go home. I would not have gotten that bad if he had tested me.
Topper (Linda)

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Cytomel Help

2007-12-29 03:17:42

or you could get bigger pilss and split them or smaller and take more...Bee
Peggy Brown <PegLou2@...

Just received email from drugstore.com that Cytomel .25 is temporarily unavailable from manufacturer. I am going to be out in a week. Need to call doc and ask for substitution. Please advise what I should request.

Thanks,

Peggy

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Re: [ThyroidFitness] cortisol

2007-12-28 19:17:46

Hi Kim

So,,,,what did you do to resolve the high cortisol output? What was your cortisol before treatment/after? I do all the antioxidants, etc., no problem with B vitamins, good ferritin/iron level, etc. I've been lowcarbing to reduce the cortisol output I had upon ingesting sugar and starch, and also the "kickback" cortisol release from food allergens, but seem to STILL have high cortisol.

Pam
Kim Pendleton <kpendle@...

Kelly-

Yes, Adrenal Fatigue does address high cortisol. Mine was so high it was off the chart at nighttime..thus I was not sleeping (Cortisol is the Stress hormone..the "Fight-or-Flight" hormone)..I was wired up and did not sleep. This book will help you start to allow your body to naturally balance that. Also - all of our hormones affect the others. Cortisol affects estrogen, progesterone, t3, etc...The way my D.O. explained it is: the others try to "come to the rescue" when one hormone is out-of-whack so, addressing a very high hormone level can have many benefits on how you are overall feeling.

Kay

TN

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Hello from Germany

2007-12-28 18:55:15

Hi Rikki,
Welcome!
I also have Hashimoto's, and just had both my kids test (15 &19) and both
tested hypothryoid and are now on small doses of Armour. They did test
negetive for Hashi's tho.
Valerie

ditto - on Adrenal Fatigue.

2007-12-28 06:12:03

Hi all, I ditto what Valerie Said., Adrenal Fatigue by Dr. James Wilson is a fabulous book. I feel better 2 months after starting his supplement and lifestyle change (stress-reduction/ diet/sleep patterns) therapy. I am on B5 B6 Magnesium, Progesterone cream at night, Vit. E (in Nuts) whole natural foods as much as possible, no stimulants at all. I do feel better. I am also on Natural compounded Thyroxine 15 mcg 2-3x day and I think the adrenals do need to be addressed or the thyroid problem cannot be managed well enough. Happy Day to all, Kay P. East TN.

cortisol

2007-12-28 05:18:36

Kelly-

Yes, Adrenal Fatigue does address high cortisol. Mine was so high it was off the chart at nighttime..thus I was not sleeping (Cortisol is the Stress hormone..the "Fight-or-Flight" hormone)..I was wired up and did not sleep. This book will help you start to allow your body to naturally balance that. Also - all of our hormones affect the others. Cortisol affects estrogen, progesterone, t3, etc...The way my D.O. explained it is: the others try to "come to the rescue" when one hormone is out-of-whack so, addressing a very high hormone level can have many benefits on how you are overall feeling.

Kay

TN

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Nomail

2007-12-27 15:24:01

Ok, Have just rung my ISP and got my email account sorted out. I will stay nomail until I have my folders set up again......hopefully over the weekend...................Meleese

Re: [ThyroidFitness] armour - corn starch

2007-12-27 12:29:32

It might, I can't "do" Armour either, but feel it is the T3 in it and my high cortisol output (hence the need for me to titrate adjustments in meds veerrrryyyy slowly) that messes me up. I seem to do well with Levoxyl (and lucky, too---I've not gotten ANY of the recalled, lol) and lowcarbing seems to help with my autoimmune disease(s).

Pam

Nomail

2007-12-27 04:32:57

Dear Group, I am going nomail for a few days...........had to
reformat my computer and lost mail etc etc, as those of you who have
done this know....need a few days to get things sorted
out!......love......Meleese

Cytomel Help

2007-12-27 04:29:37

Just received email from drugstore.com that Cytomel .25 is temporarily unavailable from manufacturer. I am going to be out in a week. Need to call doc and ask for substitution. Please advise what I should request.

Thanks,

Peggy

Re: high side

2007-12-27 02:51:53

Yes I do feel very drained being at 4.89. I've had to take a nap the
past two days. It doesn't help that I had extreme pain/cramping in my
leg the past three weeks, went to the orthopedic surgeon and he said
it could be siatica nerve or imflammation on the nerves(all stemming
from lower back). I sometimes wonder if it could be from thyroid,
joint pain perhaps. So I did feel much better at 0.24 except for the
leg pain.
I don't know why they started me off so low and then increased slowly
but that was the ob/gyn. I know how you feel some days good some days
not.
Someone mentioned earlier about getting a new doctor because this
endo only checked the tsh and not the free t-4 & 3. I'm not quite
ready to throw this doc out with the bath water quite yet. From what
I've read it is almost a miracle to find one who will prescribe
Armour. So I think I will take the leap of faith and give Armour a
try. I just feel I need to go up gradual. Someone mentioned starting
on 30mg for 8 weeks -or- would I be safe to start at the 90 mg since
I've been on 112 Synthroid?
Thanks for all the feedback guys, this is a great bunch. It is a nice
feeling to talk with others who know just what a challenge this
disease can be.

side".

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Vivelle

2007-12-26 14:20:29

I joined this group yesterday and already found something I might really need. Has anybody used the patch, Vivelle? My doc has been begging/threatening me to go on estrogen for many years. Everytime I took it though, I had weight gain. I'd like to try this. Any information would be appreciated.

Pamela
Virginia <vvsjbp@...

Re: synthroid_PI

2007-12-26 13:37:16

Here's the entire scoop on synthroid - 12 pages. I guess it's from the
manufacturer.
SuzyQ
<< http://www.synthroid.com/synthroid_PI.pdf

armour - corn starch

2007-12-25 22:16:58

In a message dated 08/21/2003 5:30:18 AM Central Daylight Time,

high side

2007-12-25 18:10:19

I sounds to me like you were on the right track, and may have leveled off at
.125. However, some don't feel as well as when they have T3 supplementation
as well. I think a 4.89 would leave me feeling hypo. In Dec. mine was 2.3 or
something, and I was drained a lot. Now, at 1.6 TSH, I don't know - some days
okay, others not. I think my doc falls into that category of those who
believe it should be below 2.0, though - as he upped my meds at 2.3 or was it
2.6.
But, I am really all about how I feel, at this time, and not about lab
results. It is interesting that they started the meds so slowly with such a
high
TSH. Mine was like 18 or 19 2.5 years ago, and they put me strait on the .1
synthroid. Had me come back in a month to check - tsh was .9. Is there a
reason
for the slow adjustment? I guess it makes more sense, maybe.
I'd just tell the doc how you feel, and assure him/her that you aren't having
hypo symptoms,and if your blood pressure and heart rate are fine, perhaps
they'll up to .125 again - or maybe trying Armour is for you. I am wondering
about T3 myself.
SuzyQ
<< I was diagnosed in Jan. with hypothyroidism.
39 yrs old 5'2 176 lbs-would like to get down to 140 at least.
Tsh 45.39 (.40 -5.50) OB/Gyn Dr started me on .25 Synthroid
T-4 (Thyroxine)free T-4 --0.7 (0.8 -1.8)
Then down to 22.90tsh -Synthroid .50
Then down to 15.5 tsh -Synthroid .1
Then down to 10.27tsh -Snthroid .125 ( May03)
~~~~~Go to endocrinologist (he feels safe putting me on 137 Synthroid
before labs come back???)
6-26-03 TSH 0.24 (.40 -5.50)
T-3 167 ( 60-181 )
Free t-4 1.4 (0.8 - 1.8 )
CBC normal
Try 248
Chl 187 (under 200)
Ghdl 41 (over 40)
Ldl 96 (under 130)
So obviously tsh way way too low. He was going to put me on 90
milligram or 1 1/2 grains of Armour (yeah he is actually open to it)
I was hesitant so went on 112mg Synthroid.
8-19-03 TSH 4.89 (.40 -5.50) He never even tested the free t4 or
free t-3. ?? His med. asst. said my tsh was normal (wasn't even going
to tell me the level, I asked. She said "well it is on the high side".

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Update on hubby/advice needed

2007-12-25 12:12:12

I'm the one that had the thyroid storm.. but before that I was hyper for years.. As it built other folks noticed things before I did...

Here are some things that you might want to see if you can spot..It won't be a diagnosis... but it will give you a firmer ground to stand on.

Not all of these things will show at the same time.. but the more that you spot.....

* Does his skin feel a bit warm to you when you touch him but he does not have a fever?
* Are you grabbing a coat or sweater because it's a bit cold and he isn't?
* Have him hold his hands out in front of him, palms down, fingers slightly spread and see if he can hold his fingers still.
* While laying down.. quietly at rest. Put your hand on his thigh about half way between the knee and the bend of the leg at the groin. Are the quad muscles relaxed and feeling a bit soft or are the hard or twitchy..
* Check the muscles of the upper back and shoulders the same way.. While he's lying quietly just gently place the palm of your hand on the muscles, soft or hard or twitchy?
* Check his resting heart rate. After about 15 minutes of sitting or lying quietly, check the pulse. Is it somewhere between 65 and 75 beats per minute?
* When he sleeps, are his legs or feet restless? Weight loss starts coming on slow, increased appetite will compensate for a long while before weight really starts dropping.
* Is he more thirsty and perspiring more easily than others around him?
* Any nightmares or unusually vivid dreams?
* Is it hard for him to fall asleep, mind too busy with stuff to calm down?

That's all I can think of now... Let me know what you are able to observe.

Topper (Linda)

Update on hubby/advice needed

2007-12-25 07:56:47

Hi,
You may have remembered about me posting about my hubby a couple weeks ago,
pretty bad shaking, very weak, tired, started to limp, etc. At first they
thought it was thyroid because he had some swelling in his neck, the next
week you could see the swelling. He had an ultrasound and it said thyroid
fine, but they saw a mass of something on/in his carotid artery in his neck.
Monday he had a cat scan and they said thyroid looked good and the mass
was probably plaque. They are testing his adrenals too now (24 hour urine
sample), and they want to do another thyroid scan in 6 weeks! They have to
wait the 6 weeks for the stuff he took for the cat scan to clear his system
as it woud cause a deadly reaction if mixed with what he needs to take in 6
weeks. He's had like 4-5 thyroid blood screens in this past couple of
weeks, most all normal (didn't get to see paperwork on these). It's an
internist that he's seeing now. He said the recent one came back with T3
high. I know they tested for Graves and Hashimoto's antibodies, and he was
negetive for both. He has been eating more than normal for him and loosing
some weight, but nothing like the extreme that someone else mentioned here
for hyperthryoid. They will send him to a neurologist, but they (and he)
wants to wait first to rule this other stuff out first.
Ugh.
I guess I don't know much about hyperthyroid. If he were having symptoms
SO strongly, wouldn't bloodwork come back obviously off/off the scale? The
doctor who treats me ran bloodwork too (he's the one I had test for Graves &
Hashimotos). 2 doctors that should know more than the average have runs
tests. How hard is it to get hyperthyroid diagnosed? I know hypo can be
heck.....I guess I don't even know what to ask. I also just found out so my
emotions are reeling. I hate the not knowing for sure. The swelling
seems to have gone down this week.
Thanks for any help or suggestions. You guys are great.
Valerie
PS: I know I need to see those tests and lab ranges, but hubby hasn't been
requesting them.

Re: Hello from Germany

2007-12-24 21:37:59

HI and welcome Rikki,
You sent this to the owners of the group, so I am forwarding it to the group, so everyone can get to know you...
I have also had my children tested and they are telling me that they are normal...my endo does not take children, but when I told him of their results he seem like he thought they should have been put on a small dose of thyroid hormone, to get them in an optimal range instead of just inside the normal range and barely there at that...
Most likely, I would think if your kids already have it, you have probably struggled with the effects for years, until they got bad enough that a doctor noticed it...
Glad you decided to join us...Hugs, Bee
Erika_Müller-Goldschalt <E.Mueller-Goldschalt@...

Hello all,
I'm Rikki from Germany, 49 years old and was diagnosed with Hashomoto's disease last October. In the meantime I had both my children ( 23 + 20 ) tested and they have it too. Now we are on levothyroxine and are feeling much better.
In June, my daughter and I started working out at a gym and , at the moment, are still going... So , obviously, one of my aims is, to get stronger and fitter. Losing a few pounds would not be a bad thing either.
I joined this group for the input on the disease - of course, I have joined a German group as well.I think, I'll start out by reading up on the messages in the archives.
All the best to everybody,
Rikki

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Re: Adding selenium for T3 uptake

2007-12-24 20:34:53

Hi. Vivelle is the Novartis version of bio-identical estradiol
hormone replacement. It's a small dot patch that you change twice a
week.The good lady Pam recommended it to me as an alternative to
Cenestin, which is a conjugated soy based HRT.

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Adding selenium for T3 uptake

2007-12-24 18:47:47

Hi Elaine,

What is a Vivelle patch?

Pamela
thinin02 <pnkfloyd@...

Hi nonstickpam, here's a buddy from the lcfriends board!
I have added 200 of selenium to help with the T3 uptake since I
discovered I was only getting 15 in my multi. How long would any
theraputic effect from that take to manifest itself?
(Also submitted my Rx for the Vivelle patch and am finding out that,
yes, the going rate for compounded progesterone is around 40.00.)
Thanks for your help!
Elaine

Adding selenium for T3 uptake

2007-12-24 10:26:52

Hi nonstickpam, here's a buddy from the lcfriends board!
I have added 200 of selenium to help with the T3 uptake since I
discovered I was only getting 15 in my multi. How long would any
theraputic effect from that take to manifest itself?
(Also submitted my Rx for the Vivelle patch and am finding out that,
yes, the going rate for compounded progesterone is around 40.00.)
Thanks for your help!
Elaine

RE: [ThyroidFitness] Switching medications?

2007-12-24 05:26:49

I am thinking of switching. but my concern of having Hashi's and using something different still concerns me. Who has hashi's and has switched to say amour or something else?

RE: [ThyroidFitness] Synthroid-has cornstarch VALG

2007-12-23 20:05:01

I haveent been able to loose weight either. BUT since starting the nutrional plan for www.abcbodybuilding.com (13weeks to Hardcore fatburning) I have actually started losing weight. At LCF on the bfl board Leenie,Lite,Mustang and I are doing this program.. We are all have some great success. IT talks about a plan being good for the t3-t4 conversions. You might want to stop in and visit us on the board(BFL) and/or check out that nutritional plan.. It is very good. Also there is another plan called the T-Dawg diet posted by Diamond Deb at LCF(bfl board as well. ) very similar to this plan..

Maybe it will be the jumpstart you need to get your weight moving :)

Thanks Pam

2007-12-23 18:15:51

Thanks to Pam for inviting me here. I have been posting at low-
carbfriends as JustChris. I was just diagnosed as Hypo this week
thus my education begins (and I thought I was done doing research
when I finished grad school :) ) I've been reading through all the
info here and am finding answers to lots of my questions. Although I
do have questions about the optimum diet (nutrition wise) for thyroid
conditions. From what I've read there seems to be some debate about
this...isn't there always when it comes to nutrition. I am currently
low-carbing but was wondering if there were specific things I might
want to watch out for to help my poor thyroid out. What have you
found that works for you? I don't really have much of a weight
issue...I'm just trying to find the optimal fuel for my body to help
with the fatigue.
Thanks, Chris

Neck and hypo(or hashis)

2007-12-23 15:02:31

I just got to thinking, I have been dxed with arthritis in my neck. In facy, that is where I have it more than any other place, and I am fat!.They did do x-rays and that is the verdict.My mind got busy and I am wondering-----thyroid related?

FeistyWendy

Wendy Webb Osterloh

Re: [ThyroidFitness] QVC's Today's Special Value (Thursday - 8/21/03) The firm Videos with sculpting stick and fanny lifter

2007-12-23 08:20:33

Hi Bee,

That's a lot of money!!! LOL Actually, I'm looking for a used set of Mari Winsor's "Winsor Pilates", or ANY tape or DVD cheap that has a full Pilates workout on it. I happen to have a Tae Bo (beginner), and about eight other exercise tapes (will have to dig them out), but I've been strongly cautioned to do either Yoga or Pilates, and I'd rather do Pilates. But don't want to spend a lot cuz after I see the rheumy if I don't like his style, I'll be resuming my weight lifting. [INLINE] heh, heh,

Hey, I know a LOT of lowcarbers using Firm tapes, and they all look great!!

Pam
Bee Fuddled <beefuddled912@...

Hey All!

I just wanted to let anyone know about qvc's special value of the day...hey the firm tapes kick butt!!! I have the last set and I have been waiting for the price to go down on this one!

http://www.qvc.com/asp/frameset.asp?aol_refer=false&msn_refer=false&nest=http://www.qvc.com/scripts/detail.dll?item=F6615!tpl=TSV!ref=ITH&ref=ITH <<<$69.00 one with both the stick and the fanny lifter...

http://www.qvc.com/asp/frameset.asp?aol_refer=false&msn_refer=false&nest=http://www.qvc.com/scripts/detail.dll?item=F6318!tpl=TSV!ref=ITH&ref=ITH <<<$59.00 one with just the stick...

The 69.00 one is like 90.00 on the infomercial plus shipping...and qvc's shipping is usually less than the infomercials...

Charisse B <b@...

From: "Charisse B"
Subject: Fw: QVC's Today's Special Value (Thursday - August 21, 2003)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:22:04 -0500

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Surgary

2007-12-22 16:31:01

Hi Kim,

I know how apprehensive you are about this surgery. I have been in "neck" surgery four times, three for parathyroid, and one for removal of salivary glands and I'm here to tell ya that the "around the area of the thyroid" ones were piece of cake next to the salivary gland surgery.

Like most of us, it's always better "after" it's all over, lol. We will keep you in our prayers and hope for the best. I don't know your family situation, but make sure you round up enough "helpers" for after. Don't be a stranger, hang in there!!!

Pam
kim77077 <stortorice@...

Just wanted to let everone know that my schedule has been
schedule for Oct 2 they are book up tile then. He told me about the
dranage tubs that I will have and that the surgary is going to take
about 4 to 5 hours and that I would be in the hospital for about a week
or so depending how how things go and how well I respond to mediction
got some of the pre admission done today paper work and next month I
go for the lab work and all of the other pre op surgary things.check
in the day before the surgary.
kim
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Re: [ThyroidFitness] Received your reply Bee

2007-12-22 09:18:14

Yep, it is VERY frustrating....we pay BIG bucks for these doctors "advice", and have to tell them their job! Too bad we can't cut the middleman...they aren't really doing anything useful for us. Darn shame we can't just order labs and self prescribe...instead of having to beg and/or demand proper medication...not to mention the time spent feeling really bad while we wait for them to come around and "get a clue"!!! REALLY irks me. They just don't get it. Many of us have had to spend years suffering because of uninformed doctors.

Okay, I feel better now....lol

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Thanks for feedback!

2007-12-22 05:57:08

I am on Levoxyl (T4), felt like CRAP for 1-1/2 years....got doc to add Cytomel and feel 100% better (thanks to Bee's advice). My endo was reluctant to try Armour. I go back in October, and will probably insist on trying Armour. But you do need to try one or the other. The difference in unbelievable!

Levoxyl Recalled again...

2007-12-22 04:54:40

King Pharmaceuticals Has Recalled Levoxyl Tablets
Reason: Subpotent (stability).
Distribution: Nationwide. http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/f/02.2/f0002984.htm

SafetyAlerts
August 20, 2003

King Pharmaceuticals Has Recalled Levoxyl Tablets

(SafetyAlerts) - The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) released the following information.
PRODUCT
Levoxyl Tablets, (Levothyroxine Sodium Tablets, USP), 75mcg, 100 and 1000 tablet bottles and physician sample packets of 7, Rx only. Recall # D-311-3.
CODE
Lot Nos. 100's - 7594, 7595, 7597, 7599, 7601, Expiration 11/03; 1000's - 7593, 7598, 7602, 7604, Expiration 11/03; Physician Samples - 7596, Expiration 11/03.
RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER
King Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Bristol, TN, by letter on July 18, 2003. Firm initiated recall is ongoing.
REASON
Subpotent (stability).
VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE
175,658 bottles.
DISTRIBUTION
Nationwide.

As you slide down the banister of life, may the splinters never point in the wrong direction! ~Irish Blessing
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QVC's Today's Special Value (Thursday - 8/21/03) The firm Videos with sculpting stick and fanny lifter

2007-12-22 02:41:39

Hey All!

I just wanted to let anyone know about qvc's special value of the day...hey the firm tapes kick butt!!! I have the last set and I have been waiting for the price to go down on this one!

http://www.qvc.com/asp/frameset.asp?aol_refer=false&msn_refer=false&nest=http://www.qvc.com/scripts/detail.dll?item=F6615!tpl=TSV!ref=ITH&ref=ITH <<<$69.00 one with both the stick and the fanny lifter...

http://www.qvc.com/asp/frameset.asp?aol_refer=false&msn_refer=false&nest=http://www.qvc.com/scripts/detail.dll?item=F6318!tpl=TSV!ref=ITH&ref=ITH <<<$59.00 one with just the stick...

The 69.00 one is like 90.00 on the infomercial plus shipping...and qvc's shipping is usually less than the infomercials...

Charisse B <b@...

From: "Charisse B"
Subject: Fw: QVC's Today's Special Value (Thursday - August 21, 2003)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:22:04 -0500

Surgary

2007-12-21 14:23:25

Just wanted to let everone know that my schedule has been
schedule for Oct 2 they are book up tile then. He told me about the
dranage tubs that I will have and that the surgary is going to take
about 4 to 5 hours and that I would be in the hospital for about a week
or so depending how how things go and how well I respond to mediction
got some of the pre admission done today paper work and next month I
go for the lab work and all of the other pre op surgary things.check
in the day before the surgary.
kim

Received your reply Bee

2007-12-21 06:47:36

--- Thank you so much Bee.
So yo think it looks like the dose I was on in June was closer to
what I need? Do you mean I should go back on the 137 Synthroid? I
agree that my t3 was in th upper areas of the range and the free t4
also was in a good area...I guess I thought the 0.24 was 'hyper' but
I just read a post by Pam and she said she feels best at .5 or
something? So it is okay to be below a one. I didn't realize that.
I really was feeling better and didn't feel like going back to bed in
the morning. I was under alot of stress and we moved at the end of
June. I guess I did feel better than before as I had alot of packing
etc to do. At the moment I don't feel good at all. Probably because I
am now up to 4.89.
I just wonder if going back on the 137 would be good or would my tsh
maybe have gotten lower over time pushing me to hyper?
The reason I hesitate going to Armour is just what you said and
others have too...Bee quote: BUT I know that when I switched from
unithroid & cytomel to armour, I felt awful and worse day by day on a
slightly higher equivalent dose of armour...so they kept upping my
dose and now I am on 5 grains of armour and am feeling pretty good,
but still having some symptoms.
That's what scares me! I just cannot handle a crash like I have read
that some have experienced switching to Armour. Maybe the key is to
go up gradually.
I just had lab done last week and he only asked for tsh. So I need to
request labs again and ask for tsh, freet4, free t3 and antibodies.
I don't want to insult this endo but it makes me mad that he didn't
ask for the free t4 & t3. I asked him about doing an antibodies test
and he said that he would know everything he needed to by the labs.
How can he know if he didn't even test for it?? Isn't this
frustrating?!
I do take the mag/zinc with the selenium but I need to add the vit E.
Well it is past midnight here and must sptop this insomia and get to
bed.
Thanks for listening. I've just been suffering in silence.

Thanks for feedback!

2007-12-21 05:57:58

Thank you Pam Staul and nonstickpam for the feedback. I'm hoping Bee
weighs in and anyone who can offer suggestions. I've been reading
here a while but finally got up the courage to post. Nothing like
putting your medical history out there for all to see! Ha Ha.
Very interesting Pam Staul about how the synthetic T4 raises blood
sugar and you have an insulin resistance response. I definately felt
the "bloat/puffy/gain" thing being on the Synthroid. Everyone
said "oh you will lose so much weight once you start the Synthroid".
Needless to say I gained and was discouraged. This is a very long
journey and I guess I need more patience.
I think you are right nonstickpam...I might have come really close to
that "sweet spot" but tsh fell below the "one" and now back up to
4.89.
If I do switch to Armour is 90 milligram (1 1/2 grain) the right
dosage?? I really don't understand the grains and taking some at
different times of day or skipping days. Do you start off slowly and
increase? I'm used to taking the Synthroid once a day in the morning
and avoiding calcium for several hours after taking it.
~Or~ should I stay on Synthroid after being on it since January and
add the Cytomel(T-3)? Decisions, decisions.
Such a learning experience.

Got a Cold!/Linda's treatment recommendations

2007-12-20 21:05:47

In a message dated 8/20/03 12:47:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mnlinc@... writes:

. I start with just one...if one will work that is great, but I don't want to take 2 when one would have worked just fine

I use afrin but you can't use it for longer than a few days or you get rebound stuffiness. Kelly

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2007-12-20 20:21:10

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Re: [ThyroidFitness] TSH results-Pam

2007-12-20 12:44:34

Hi,

Very nice words, thank you. I want others here in the group to also comment on your numbers and symptoms and the fact that I think that anyone who has been offered Armour should at least TRY it, but not till you get some feedback from Bee, and others here who are on it, and they can tell you what the conversion would be for you to start out on.

I will tell you that in my opinion, you cannot go "just" by TSH (yeah, you know, I've done 20 threads on that at the LCF site, lol), but you also want to hit your "sweet spot". I do believe the way it sounds that at one tiny moment you may have been near that spot, but fallen through it.

Hang in there, help is on it's way!!

Pam
mama of two <mamadeuce4him@...

I was diagnosed in Jan. with hypothyroidism.
39 yrs old 5'2 176 lbs-would like to get down to 140 at least.
Tsh 45.39 (.40 -5.50) OB/Gyn Dr started me on .25 Synthroid
T-4 (Thyroxine)free T-4 --0.7 (0.8 -1.8)
Then down to 22.90tsh -Synthroid .50
Then down to 15.5 tsh -Synthroid .1
Then down to 10.27tsh -Snthroid .125 ( May03)
~~~~~Go to endocrinologist (he feels safe putting me on 137 Synthroid
before labs come back???)
6-26-03 TSH 0.24 (.40 -5.50)
T-3 167 ( 60-181 )
Free t-4 1.4 (0.8 - 1.8 )
CBC normal
Try 248
Chl 187 (under 200)
Ghdl 41 (over 40)
Ldl 96 (under 130)
So obviously tsh way way too low. He was going to put me on 90
milligram or 1 1/2 grains of Armour (yeah he is actually open to it)
I was hesitant so went on 112mg Synthroid.
8-19-03 TSH 4.89 (.40 -5.50) He never even tested the free t4 or
free t-3. ?? His med. asst. said my tsh was normal (wasn't even going
to tell me the level, I asked. She said "well it is on the high side".
I have an appointment Friday. I desperately need your input as to if
I should try the Armour or stick with Synthroid or add T3. I just
want my quality of life back. I am sick of feeling sick and tired. I
have two little girls who need a healthy mother. I will admit that I
have not disciplined myself to the low card way of life. I am a work
in progress.
My mother was diagnosed with Diabetes. Grandmother takes shots. I
would like to avoid this.
I asked the endo about adrenals and antibodies -he said he would be
able to tell all that from the labs. He said my adrenals were fine.
What specific tests should I ask for? I have been taking 200 Selenium
since May. I do feel better but still have lack of energy, fatique,
brain fog, depression etc.
I know you have heard it a million times Pam but thank you for all
your time, insight and posts. You are very caring and have blessed so
many lives.
I will anxiously await for replies. TIA

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Re: [ThyroidFitness] Synthroid-has cornstarch

2007-12-20 06:28:02

I happen to be allergic to any corn, but beyond it containing something a lowcarber wouldn't put in their mouth willingly [INLINE] , I do believe any moment now you are going to hear some people tell you "why" you should at least try other meds (particularly the Armour, although it's not for everyone).

I've had some pretty lively conversations lately with a couple of people who are scientists (oh boy, really educated, unlike me) and it's a known fact that synthetic T4 raises blood sugar. That "bloat/puffy/gain" that many get right when they start is an insulin resistance response. Again, anyone who has anything, links, science on this subject, come out and play!!

I tried Synthroid, and I puffed up badly---and I had problems with insulin resistance immediately. I do believe it might have been the cornstarch, but their are other "fillers" in Synthroid and other meds, too. Some people takea certain med in a combo of a certain mcg. I think Levoxyl (which I do well on) 50mcg. are free of dyes and additives, so I take one, and split another to get my 75mcgs. because the purple dye in the 75's bothers me, makes me swell.

There are others who I've seen do very, very well on Synthroid, and have no complaints, as well as some who add Cytomel (synthetic T3) to their Synthroid or T4OC (T4 of choice). BUT, I've far and away seen more people have success in a shorter time on Armour.

Pam
mama of two <mamadeuce4him@...

I just read over at lowcarbfriends where you said tha the SYN in
Synthroid is like confectioner's sugar and you yourself could never
lose weight on it. I felt like I gained 10 lbs or more when I first
went on the Synthroid in January.
I think I already know I should switch to Armour. I've read that some
felt a world of difference for the better and a few didn't like it.
So many factors in this disease and tweaking of meds!!
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Synthroid-has cornstarch

2007-12-19 21:40:46

I just read over at lowcarbfriends where you said tha the SYN in
Synthroid is like confectioner's sugar and you yourself could never
lose weight on it. I felt like I gained 10 lbs or more when I first
went on the Synthroid in January.
I think I already know I should switch to Armour. I've read that some
felt a world of difference for the better and a few didn't like it.
So many factors in this disease and tweaking of meds!!

TSH results-Pam

2007-12-19 13:44:17

I was diagnosed in Jan. with hypothyroidism.
39 yrs old 5'2 176 lbs-would like to get down to 140 at least.
Tsh 45.39 (.40 -5.50) OB/Gyn Dr started me on .25 Synthroid
T-4 (Thyroxine)free T-4 --0.7 (0.8 -1.8)
Then down to 22.90tsh -Synthroid .50
Then down to 15.5 tsh -Synthroid .1
Then down to 10.27tsh -Snthroid .125 ( May03)
~~~~~Go to endocrinologist (he feels safe putting me on 137 Synthroid
before labs come back???)
6-26-03 TSH 0.24 (.40 -5.50)
T-3 167 ( 60-181 )
Free t-4 1.4 (0.8 - 1.8 )
CBC normal
Try 248
Chl 187 (under 200)
Ghdl 41 (over 40)
Ldl 96 (under 130)
So obviously tsh way way too low. He was going to put me on 90
milligram or 1 1/2 grains of Armour (yeah he is actually open to it)
I was hesitant so went on 112mg Synthroid.
8-19-03 TSH 4.89 (.40 -5.50) He never even tested the free t4 or
free t-3. ?? His med. asst. said my tsh was normal (wasn't even going
to tell me the level, I asked. She said "well it is on the high side".
I have an appointment Friday. I desperately need your input as to if
I should try the Armour or stick with Synthroid or add T3. I just
want my quality of life back. I am sick of feeling sick and tired. I
have two little girls who need a healthy mother. I will admit that I
have not disciplined myself to the low card way of life. I am a work
in progress.
My mother was diagnosed with Diabetes. Grandmother takes shots. I
would like to avoid this.
I asked the endo about adrenals and antibodies -he said he would be
able to tell all that from the labs. He said my adrenals were fine.
What specific tests should I ask for? I have been taking 200 Selenium
since May. I do feel better but still have lack of energy, fatique,
brain fog, depression etc.
I know you have heard it a million times Pam but thank you for all
your time, insight and posts. You are very caring and have blessed so
many lives.
I will anxiously await for replies. TIA

Re: Got a Cold!/Linda's treatment recommendations

2007-12-19 13:09:10

Generally these warnings are for people with hypERthyroidism. Medications like Sudaphed and Actifed can speed up your heartbeat and other symptoms and throw a hyperthyroid person into thyroid storm. Once, even after I had become hypothyroid, I took 1 single, teenie-tiny Sudaphed and was plagued for 2 days with hyper symptoms (which I didn't mind but most hyper people wouldn't like). I found that information at the National Graves' Disease Association web site, on their discussion board. I kept hemming and hawing about taking it...had seen the warning and didn't know what to do...so went there and read the discussions...a nurse practicioner was on the board and noted the warnings are generally due to hyperthroidism.

HOWEVER! I am sure you will find friends online to tell you that they are strictly hypOthyroid and have had doctors tell them not to take it, or even had bad experiences taking decongestants and antihistamines.

Now, as far as antihistamines go, my favorite eye specialist recommended my taking antihistamines to help me sleep, she said it can help many Graves' sufferers get some rest...however Benadryl is opposite for me and gets me really wide awake.

What I do when I am sick: turn on the vaporizer, if I am super stuffed up I go in the bathroom and turn on the hot water, sit in the steamy bathroom for as long as you can/as long as the water stays hot, drink from a straw as to not get too much in my throat at one time and start coughing and choking again, hot peppermint or chamomile tea soothes my sinus', massage the sinus cavity in your face (maxillary) and above the eyebrows (frontal) AND behind the ears...oooo, that feels sooooo good when your stuffed up!, sleep propped up on pillows, use Zicam when I feel a cold coming on and continue using it - I swear it cuts down on the symptoms and length of a cold/flu, flush out my nose with saline nasal spray a few times a day. And when all else fails and I simply CAN'T STAND to be stuffed up anymore...I take a sudaphed. I start with just one...if one will work that is great, but I don't want to take 2 when one would have worked just fine.

Hope some of these suggestions will help you. It SUCKS to be sick with a cold!!!

~ Linda

Got a Cold! What can I take for it?

2007-12-18 23:05:34

Hi all. My wonderful daughter gave me her cold and now i'm
miserable. Every OTC cold medicine and sinus box I read says not to
take it if you have a Thyroid problem ( I have Hypothyroidism and on
112mcg of levoxyl) So what do I take for it? my sinuses are so
stuffed up and I feel yucky. Please help. Thanks in advance :)

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Got a Cold! What can I take for it?

2007-12-18 22:35:53

Both my mom and I have thryoid disease and her endo told her to take Chloretrimenton (sp?).....it's totally safe for anyone with thyroid disease. If you're stuffed up it clears you right up. If it's a sinus infection then you might want to go to your dr for an antibiotic. Hope this helps you and I hope you get to feeling better real soon!! :)
Dana

The cost of tests nowadays, even for pets.............

2007-12-18 09:08:15

Pam

OT: For Janine and Tony...a Geology Quiz!

2007-12-18 07:34:41

Janine...my local news, WCCO, has a quiz page each day and today's quiz is about Geology!!!! I immediately thought of you and Tony. Have fun, here is the link.

http://www.channel4000.com/sh/quizine/2411101/index.html?treets=msp&tid=2653780977813&tml=msp_12pm&tmi=msp_12pm_1_12000108192003&ts=H

For our friends in and around the UK.......

2007-12-18 04:08:08

UK Nutritionist BUSTED!
Remember the UK nutritionist who warned last week in the UK Telegraph
that Atkins was "dangerous?"
The article started:
Atkins diet may be bad for health, warns nutritionist
By David Derbyshire, Science Correspondent
(Filed: 13/08/2003)
The controversial high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins diet is a
mass experiment into public health based on "pseudo science", a
leading nutritionist said yesterday.
Extreme "faddy" diets that cut out entire food groups were
unbalanced, untested and could pose serious health problems, she
warned.
It would be negligent to recommend the Atkins diet to anyone who was
overweight, said Dr Susan Jebb, of the Medical Research Council Human
Nutrition Research Centre, Cambridge.
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$T3MZ15VOQOGD3QF
IQMFCFF4AVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2003/08/13/natkin13.xml
[snip]
THIS was published in the same paper TODAY:
Anti-Atkins nutritionist working for flour millers
By Tom Peterkin
(Filed: 18/08/2003)
The nutritionist who condemned the protein-based Atkins Diet is
working on a report looking at the benefits of a high-carbohydrate
diet funded by the Flour Advisory Bureau (Fab).
It emerged yesterday that Susan Jebb, the head of nutrition and
health research at the Medical Research Council (MRC), has been
commissioned by Fab, the organisation which is recognised as the
lobbying arm of the National Association of British and Irish Millers.
The council will be paid £10,000 by Fab for the study, which involves
Dr Jebb reviewing scientific literature investigating diets that are
high in carbohydrates such as bread, pasta and rice.
Last week she caused consternation among devotees of the Atkins Diet
when she said that there was not a "shred of evidence" to suggest
that it worked. Followers of the diet are allowed to eat as much
protein and fat as they like provided that they cut out carbohydrates
altogether.
Dr Jebb said at the Royal Institution that the Atkins Diet, which
counts celebrities such as Jennifer Aniston and Renee Zellweger among
its devotees, was a "massive health risk".
"Fad diets prey on the overweight, offering quick fixes and
psychological tricks," she added. "I see no medical benefit at all in
them, and in particular, the Atkins Diet."
In a 1999 study for Fab, Dr Jebb recommended that those suffering
from obesity should go on a diet that was "rich in complex
carbohydrates and low in fat".
Her latest study will be launched in Fab's London office on Sept 23.
Dr Jebb's association with an organisation devoted to promoting the
staple ingredient of one of the world's most popular carbohydrates
has raised eyebrows.
John Briffa, an independent nutrition expert, said: "It is up to
other people to decide whether Susan Jebb's view stems from her links
with the flour industry. But if it appears that her scientific view
has been skewed by the food industry, that is of enormous concern."
But the MRC rejected any suggestion that Dr Jebb's integrity had been
compromised. Carolan Davidge, the council's spokesman, said: "She is
an independent expert and I can't stress that enough.
"She could be commissioned by anybody to produce independent
research. If the Atkins Diet people asked her to do some research she
would do it independently.
"The idea that anybody would think that she would compromise her
standing as a scientist and her independence for £10,000 is just
ridiculous."
Dr Jebb was unavailable for comment yesterday but in the Scotland on
Sunday newspaper she denied there was a conflict of interests.
She said: "I am simply bringing to the public's attention the
scientific evidence. There is little evidence that low amounts of
carbs are better for you than a high amount. You have to look at my
scientific record and judge for yourself."
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/ma...8/natkins18.xml
OH my, and we think we have problems with this way of eating over
here!!!!
Pam

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Some Links I collected on Adrenals

2007-12-18 02:14:38

In a message dated 8/17/2003 5:10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, beefuddled912@... writes:

techniques
Thanks for this research, Bee. I am definitely going to pursue these. Appreciate all your work.
Mary

Re: [ThyroidFitness] Inner Peace

2007-12-17 18:38:49

Jewel...

Give me five! hhehehehehehehe

Topper (Linda)

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:05:34 +0100 "Jewel" <forever@...

By following the simple advice I read in an article, I have finally found
inner peace... It read:
"The way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you've started."
So I looked around to see all the things I started and hadn't finished. So,
today I have finished one bottle of vodka, a bottle of red wine, a bottle of
Scotch, some Valium, a small box of chocolates and 9 beers. You have no idea
how good I feel.
You may pass this on to those you feel are in need of Inner Peace

RE: [ThyroidFitness] Sunlight and Health

2007-12-17 06:57:05

very interesting. Thank you for posting. I have been thinking this way since i had recently read the PRotein power life plan . In that book they also state that sunblock can be toxic and that we should not fear the sun. Of course that dosesnt mean we shouldnt respect it either :0). I ONLY apply sunblock if I will be out for an extended period of time and cant hide from the sun. My dks have been tanning beautifully at the pool and we dont usually spend more than two hours there.

The meaning of success...

2007-12-17 05:29:27

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

- Ralph Waldo Emerson -

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As you slide down the banister of life, may the splinters never point in the wrong direction! ~Irish Blessing
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Re: [ThyroidFitness] 3 lil pigs go out for dinner LOL

2007-12-16 16:01:22

ROFLMAO!!

Sunlight and Health

2007-12-16 12:10:04

This was shared with me at another forum and had some very
interesting things to consider in it. So I thought I'd share it with
those here who had shown interest. Vic :0)
Dr. Mercola - "In recent years we've all been trained to fear the
sun, due to the threat of skin cancer. Now there is a growing belief
that exposure to the sun may not actually cause skin cancer. Nothing
could be further from the truth. As this study published in the
prestigious Cancer journal indicates, exposure to sun actually
decreases cancer rates"
Jacob Liberman, who has doctorates in both optometry and vision
science, says that the people who live on Earth evolved to thrive
under the light put forth by our sun. He says, therefore, that we
potentially harm ourselves when we hide from sunlight. In Light:
Medicine Of The Future: How We Can Use It To Heal Ourselves Now, he
explains how to utilize the therapeutic benefits of light. Dr.
Liberman says that "light is thebasic component from which all life
originates, develops, heals, and evolves." Everything that humans do
is affected in some way by light. Light has been used for healing
since the time of ancient Egypt. Modern scientists began recognizing
the benefits of light therapy in the late 1700's. Although many
people believe the ultraviolet (UV) light is harmful, Dr. Liberman
maintains our bodies need at least a small amount of UV light in
order to function properly. He cites studies which indicate that,
due to all the ways in which we block sunlight from our lives,
including wearing sunglasses designed to block out UV rays, "it is
possible that we are unknowingly contributing to the increased
incidence of blindness and eye disease in this country." Dr.
Liberman does warn against looking at the sun directly, or exposing
ourselves to it between 10:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m., but emphasizes
that light is a nutrient for the body. He says people need to be
outside in natural light, without sunglasses or sun block, for a
minimum of one hour a day. He warns that warm-white and cool-white
fluorescents "should absolutely be avoided." People who cannot get
outside regularly need to equip their work areas with full-spectrum
light fixtures. Syntonics is the name given to light therapy, which
involves utilizing specific colors for healing specific ailments.
Dr. Liberman discusses its benefits in treating vision problems,
seasonal affective disorder (SAD), cancer, and learning
disabilities. He says that "as we continue to discover and
understand the role that light plays in our lives, its use as both a
therapeutic and preventive tool will become more evident."
Sunlight helps the body heal wounds and injuries and overcome
virtually any illness. Dr. Carl Hoffminster wrote that soldiers in
World War II healed and survived much better when their open wounds
and broken bones were exposed to sunlight.
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According to the National Cancer Institute, lifetime exposure to
sunlight may reduce your risk of some of the most common types of
cancer. In an analysis of death certificates from 24 states over an
11-year period, the NCI researchers found that people who lived in
the sunniest parts of the country, and those exposed to the most
sunlight through their jobs, had significantly lower rates of breast
and colon cancer than matched controls.
The scientists identified cases through a database maintained by
the NCI, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health,
and the National Center for Health Statistics. The data was
collected from 24 states from 1984 through 1995, and includes
information on occupation, state of residence at birth and at death,
and cause of death. The researchers took significant measures to
ensure the accuracy of their data. They only included people who
were born and died in states in the same solar radiation range. And
they classified farmers in their own occupational category, separate
from other outdoor jobs, as they have been shown to have higher
overall rates of certain types of cancer. They also narrowed down
the cases substantially with a long list of exclusions.
Even after all those adjustments, the results were compelling.
Overall, people who lived in the highest solar radiation range (in
states like Arizona, Hawaii, Florida, and Texas) had less risk of
dying of breast, ovarian, prostate, or colon cancer than those who
lived in the lowest range (states like Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio,
and Washington). The occupational difference was most significant in
relation to cases breast and colon cancer; across all levels of
solar radiation, people who worked outside had 20 to 25 percent less
risk of these two types of cancer. And the benefits of outside work
weren't attributable to the amount of hard labor. Even after the
researchers adjusted for level of physical activity, the reduction
in risk remained. In their discussion, the NCI researchers theorize
that sunlight offers cancer protection through its contribution of
vitamin D. Recent laboratory tests have shown that vitamin D can
slow or halt the proliferation of breast and colon cancer cells. And
in other research, breast cancer patients showed lower serum
concentrations of a form of vitamin D when compared with healthy
controls.
Sunlight Actually Prevents Cancer Dr. Mercola
In recent years we've all been trained to fear the sun, due to the
threat of skin cancer. Now there is a growing belief that exposure
to the sun may not actually cause skin cancer. Either way, the fear
of skin cancer shouldn't keep you huddled indoors in the dark.
According to Dr. William C. Douglass, you can reap the sun's healthy
benefits with as little as 20 minutes of exposure a day.
However, skin cancers are more likely related to the large
distortion most people have in their omega-6 to omega-3 fat ratio.
The high excess of omega-6 fats in most people's diet puts them at a
much higher risk of developing skin cancer when exposed to excess
sun.
So the solution is not to slather sun block on. Sun block can be
quite toxic and should be avoided by most people. The sensible
approach would be to limit sun exposure so you never get sun burned.
It is sunburn in conjunction with excess omega-6 fats that increases
your risk of skin cancer.
Learn Why the Myth of the Sun Causing Skin Cancer Can Hurt Your
Health
A recent study in the prominent US dermatology journal tell us that
only a small fraction of US schools have implemented policies that
protect students from over-exposure to the sun, and few provide
shade, sunscreen, or other ways to avoid ultraviolet rays. Since
severe sunburns occur during childhood, which may promote melanoma
later, these experts recommend that policymakers and school
administrators encourage and implement sun protection policies at
schools nationwide. The authors of this study recommend that schools
without a sun protection policy adopt one, and at least implement
minor changes that could help shield students from the sun, such as
allowing staff to put sunscreen on students, and permitting hats and
sunglasses when outdoors. Archives of Dermatology June 2002;138:771-
774
Sun-Care Chemical Proves Toxic in Lab Tests
The main chemical used in sun lotions to filter out ultraviolet
light may be TOXIC, particularly when exposed to sunshine. Octyl
methoxycinnamate (OMC), which is present in 90 per cent of sunscreen
brands, was found to kill mouse cells even at low doses in a study
by Norwegian scientists.
Sunblock Can Actually Increase Your Cancer Risk - Using sunblock
stops your body from getting valuable vitamin D that prevents cancer
and does nothing to inhibit the major cause of skin cancer, which is
actually an imbalance of the proper fats in your diet. Find out how
you can really prevent skin cancer.
Sunbathing for Health Dr. Bernarr Zovluck
The sun provides the basis for all life on earth. The sun is the
source of energy for all plants, and indirectly, for all animals.
Take away the sunlight and all life on earth would soon perish.
Deprived of sunlight, man loses physical vigor and strength and will
develop a disinclination for activity, wrote Dr. Herbert Shelton.
I sunbathe nude almost everyday, at noontime, the hottest part of
the day, for several hours, and at age 67, having done this for over
45 years, I have never developed skin cancer, wrinkles or dryness.
Sunbathing does not cause cancer of the skin nor wrinkles nor drying
of the skin. Healthy people do not get skin cancer - unhealthy
people do. Sunbathing helps heal those with cancer by building up
the body's vital energies and increasing the oxygen in the tissues.
Sunbathing helps heal cancer of the skin, wrinkles and drying of the
skin. Unfortunately, those who develop skin cancer and/or wrinkles
and also coincidentally sunbathe have had many unhealthful habits
that cause their skin cancer, wrinkles and drying of their skin.
Chronic sunburn on skin containing free radicals leads to skin
cancer. Repeated sunburning, not suntanning itself, causes skin
cancer, wrote Dr. Michael Gray. Sunlight may change free radicals,
dietary fat from animal sources, cholesterol from animal sources and
deranged antioxidants brought to the skin from the eating of cooked
foods into carcinogenic substances. Antioxidant vitamins C and E are
reduced or deranged by cooking. Furthermore, fats and oils applied
to the skin in suntan lotions and other cosmetics are sources of
free radicals which can lead to skin cancer.
Dr. Zane Kime wrote that suntan lotions should not be used because
they can cause cancer. Sunscreen may actually increase the risk of
cancer, so proposed California researchers in a paper published in
January, 1993 in the Annals of Epidemiology.
Gray also wrote that those who smoke tobacco and marijuana and
expose them-selves to sunlight tend to get skin cancer.
Cancer is common in those who over-consume coffee and teas which
contain toxic caffeine and tannic acid, and expose themselves to
sunlight, wrote Dr. Becker and D. Alexander.
Immuno-suppressant drugs may contribute to skin cancer as well as x-
rays and chemotherapy. We may be able to reduce our cancer deaths by
inducing a partial or complete immunity by exposure of suitable skin
areas to sunlight, wrote Dr. Frank Apperly.
Sunbathing helped heal the skin cancer of Dr. Harland G. Call. His
skin cancer was diagnosed by two M.D.s, one of whom was a surgeon
who recommended surgical removal. Call employed sunbathing of the
effected area, Within a short time, the skin cancer disappeared,
after which he reported back to the M.D. who had recommended
surgical removal. When the M.D. examined him, he confirmed that the
skin cancer had disappeared without surgical removal.
A man had recurrent skin cancer. His doctor recommended surgery. The
cancerous man rejected the surgery. Instead he followed the advice
of Dr. John Ott to sunbathe without his glasses and after five
months his skin cancer completely disappeared. Sunlight treatments
reduced malignant cancer growths 50% in animal experiments in
Russia, writes A.P. Zabaluyeva.
Sunlight helps the body heal wounds and injuries and overcome
virtually any illness. Dr. Carl Hoffminster wrote that soldiers in
World War II healed and survived much better when their open wounds
and broken bones were exposed to sunlight.
Sunbathing helps strengthen muscles. Dr. Zane Kime wrote:
Tuberculosis patients being treated by sunbathing have been observed
to have well-developed muscles with very little fat, even though
they have not exercised for months. He also reported that a study on
the effects of sunlight on a group at a health resort showed that
the group that was getting more sunshine with their exercise had
improved almost twice as much as the group that avoided sunshine as
revealed by their electrocardiograms. Kime also wrote, The Romans
made use of the sun in training their gladiators, for they knew that
sunlight seemed to strengthen and enlarge the muscles. Cancer of the
breast, prostate reproductive organs and colon may be caused by not
exposing these vital organs to the sun and air. Anything that blocks
sunshine from penetrating the skin will reduce the amount of Vitamin
D that the body makes. People with lower levels of Vitamin D are at
greater risk for colon cancer, writes the Lancet.
Sunlight helps people overcome winter depression. Seasonal Affective
Disorder (SAD) hits around 100,000 people and develops into severe
depression as daylight decreases in the winter. If SAD sufferers get
out and get some sunlight during winter, they will relieve their
depression, writes Dr. Keki Sidhwa.
Dr. Herbert Shelton - "Gazing directly into the sun actually
improves sight and aids in overcoming disease".
Dr. Jacob Liberman. - Sunglasses block healing ultra-violet light
and thus contribute to the increased incidence of blindness and eye
disease in this country"
Eyeglasses and contact lenses rob you of energy by blocking some of
the ultra violet rays that travel through the eyes to the pineal
gland, wrote Patricia McCormac. After discontinuing wearing his
eyeglasses, Dr. John Ott wrote that he exposed his eyes to sunlight
without lenses and his vision was much improved. He recommended
similar therapy to his friends and they gained similar improvement
in their vision. Ott wrote that nothing should block out the full
spectrum of sunlight, no glasses of any kind should block the ultra
violet rays, and especially no dark glasses.
Dr. Shelton wrote, "In truth man was designed by the Creator to
enjoy the direct rays of the sun and the soothing strengthening
influence of the winds over the whole surface of the body. He is by
nature a nude animal."
Arnold Rickli, whose sun and air institution in Switzerland
attracted patients from all over the world in the 19th century,
wrote, Man is made to live in the open air; therefore when exposed
to the action of the light, air and sun, he is in his real element.
If we choose to expose our nude skin to the sunshine, all we need to
do is pay attention to our bodies. Our bodies are always talking to
us, and we must learn to listen. If the sunshine is going to be
harmful, our bodies will feel uncomfortable in the sunshine. This
will force us to withdraw our bodies from the sunshine before it can
injure us.
"A full sunbath in the nude is ideal. This is not a mere cosmetic
measure, but a health requirement for greatest value" wrote Dr.
Shelton.
Bernarr McFadden wrote: "From the dawn of history the sun has been
utilized specifically as an aid to restoration of health and s a
means of maintaining and increasing it. The ancient Greeks and
Romans, Egyptians and Assyrians, Arabians, Babylonians and Cretans,
the AZT:astonishing factsecs, the early Chinese and Japanese, the
inhabitants of India and most other nations that were glorious in
their day derived their superb health partly from their contact with
the rays of the sun, and healed their ailments by their aid.
Hippocrates, the Father of Medicine, practiced the sun-cure in the
temple of Esculapius on the island of Cos in ancient Greece."
Everyone sick or well looks better, feels better, gets better and
functions better after exposing every part of their nude bodies to
the beautiful sunshine. Sunbathe each moment you can. It helps you
in every possible way!
In Light: Medicine Of The Future: How We Can Use It To Heal
Ourselves Now
Jacob Liberman, O.D., Ph.D. explains how to utilize the therapeutic
benefits of light. He says that "light is the basic component from
which all life originates, develops, heals, and evolves." Everything
that humans do is affected in some way by light. Light has been used
for healing since the time of ancient Egypt.
Modern scientists began recognizing the benefits of light therapy in
the late 1700's. Although many people believe the ultraviolet (UV)
light is harmful, Dr. Liberman maintains our bodies need at least a
small amount of UV light in order to function properly. He cites
studies which indicate that, due to all the ways in which we block
sunlight from our lives, including wearing sunglasses designed to
block out UV rays, "it is possible that we are unknowingly
contributing to the increased incidence of blindness and eye disease
in this country." Dr. Liberman does warn against looking at the sun
directly, or exposing ourselves to it between 10:00 a.m. and 2:00
p.m., but emphasizes that light is a nutrient for the body.
He says people need to be outside in natural light, without
sunglasses or sun block, for a minimum of one hour a day. He warns
that warm-white and cool-white fluorescents "should absolutely be
avoided." People who cannot get outside regularly need to equip
their work areas with full-spectrum light fixtures. Syntonics is the
name given to light therapy, which involves utilizing specific
colors for healing specific ailments. Dr. Liberman discusses its
benefits in treating vision problems, seasonal affective disorder
(SAD), cancer, and learning disabilities. He says that "as we
continue to discover and understand the role that light plays in our
lives, its use as both a therapeutic and preventive tool will become
more evident." Compare this book's price at more than 30 online book
stores with 1 click!
Bibliography: SUNLIGHT CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE; Dr. Zane Kime, M.D. This
book is packed with useful information on the benefits of sunlight.
It is light and easy reading. Item #0185.........$16.00 - Family
Health News (800) 284-6263 (305) 759-9500
Dr. Bernarr Zovluck is dedicated to helping people gain and/or
maintain optimum health through natural methods. You can contact Dr.
Bernarr Zovluck by phone in Los Angeles at 323-653-6314 or 852 0403
or by post mail at PO Box 691891 Los Angeles, CA 90069
Natural Vision Health
Health of the eye depends on the well-being of one's entire body.
Vision problems are multiplying at epidemic proportions in our
society. Over half of the population over 75 years old has either
cataracts, glaucoma, or macular degeneration. This page show people
how to become active participants in their own vision care, giving
back the power and responsibility they have so trustingly handed
over to their eye doctors. The information here offerss a practical
approach to keeping your eyes healthy based on the underlying
philosophy that emphasizes prevention rather than cure, based on the
latest scientific research.
* Sunlight For Eczema (Atopic Dermatitis)
* Sunlight Exposure Beneficial In Multiple Sclerosis
* Let the Sun Shine In (Especially When Pregnant)
* Lack of Light causes high blood pressure
* RDA for Vitamin D Too Low
.
Sunlight Exposure Beneficial In Multiple Sclerosis
In a recently published exploratory study, mortality from multiple
sclerosis (MS) was found to be reduced by exposure to sunlight.
Depending on the degree of sunlight exposure, the risk of death from
MS was reduced by up to 76%. No theory on the precise mechanism of
action in this reduction was proposed by the authors. Occup Environ
Med 2000;57:418-421
Sunlight Actually Prevents Cancer
Insufficient exposure to ultraviolet radiation may be an important
risk factor for cancer in Western Europe and North America,
according to a new study published in the prominent Cancer journal
that directly contradicts official advice about sunlight. The
research examined cancer mortality in the United States. Deaths from
a range of cancers of the reproductive and digestive systems were
approximately twice as high in New England as in the southwest,
despite a diet that varies little between regions.
An examination of 506 regions found a close inverse correlation
between cancer mortality and levels of ultraviolet B light. The
likeliest mechanism for a protective effect of sunlight is vitamin
D, which is synthesized by the body in the presence of ultraviolet
B. The study's author, Dr William Grant (wbgrant@...) , says
northern parts of the United States may be dark enough in winter
that vitamin D synthesis shuts down completely. While the study
focused on white Americans, the same geographical trend affects
black Americans, whose overall cancer rates are significantly
higher. Darker skinned people require more sunlight to synthesize
vitamin D.
There are 13 malignancies that show this inverse correlation, mostly
reproductive and digestive cancers. The strongest inverse
correlation is with breast, colon, and ovarian cancer. Other cancers
apparently affected by sunlight include tumors of the bladder,
uterus, esophagus, rectum, and stomach. Cancer March 2002; 94:1867-
75
Dr. Mercola: "Sunlight is man's primary source of vitamin D. It
seems quite obvious that man developed in tropical or subtropical
areas and thus, has a need for sunlight as a nutrient.When we
migrated further away from the equator, our ability to obtain
valuable sunlight and its important influence on our health, was
dramatically reduced.
Most all of us need to expose far more of our skin to the sun during
the noon hour to get the beneficial UV-B. Now, I can just hear
scores of you getting alarmed that this recommendation will increase
your risk of skin cancer. Well folks, nothing could be further from
the truth. I will provide all of the documentation and scientific
research to support this assertion in future issues. But, I am
convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that as long as you avoid
being sunburned, sun exposure at noon on unexposed skin, is one of
the healthiest things you can do for your body. Krispin has been
kind enough to mentor me in the incredible value of vitamin D and
how it is one of the biggest missing nutritional links not being
addressed, even by incredibly astute physicians.
Using foods to optimize people's health has been my driving passion
for more than a decade. I have reviewed tens of thousands of
articles and I missed it big time, so I am sure many others have
also. I will be providing a series of articles in the upcoming weeks
to further expand on this extremely important topic. The necessary
doses for vitamin D are far higher than previously imagined. Most of
us would likely benefit from doses closer to 4,000 units, not 400
units. This is a full order of magnitude higher than the RDAs.
However, the best way to get this is through sun exposure, NOT
though supplements. Unfortunately, for most of us in the U.S. there
are only a few months of the year where this is even possible. Then,
even in those months, if you live in a polluted urban area, or it is
cloudy, there will not be enough UV-B to penetrate the clouds, smog,
or ozone to stimulate vitamin D production in your skin.
I am working with a company on a very inexpensive UV-B meter tha can
be brought with you places, so you can know exactly how much
sunlight you need on a given day to generate vitamin D exposure. It
is a complex determination, since you also need to factor in the
color of your skin. So, most of us will be stuck using supplements.
My favorite is cod liver oil, since that solves another major issue
in our diet, omega three deficiency. However, one needs to be
cautious with supplements at these doses, and the solution will be
to monitor your blood levels of vitamin D." more
You can read the other article on vitamin D in this issue that
addresses the cautions.
...and God said "Let There Be Light" Krispin Sullivan
The Importance of Sunlight and Vitamin D
For the past number of years clinicians, physicians, national media
and the National Institute of Health have been warning Americans to
stay out of the sun. The purpose of this warning was intended to
prevent melanoma, a serious form of skin cancer. In spite of the
ever-increasing use of sunscreens and intentional reduction of sun
exposure, incidence of this cancer is on the upswing. There is some
evidence that the advice given regarding sunlight may have actually
contributed to an increase in incidences of melanoma because of
issues relating to genetics, UV-A radiation, UV-B radiation and
extended exposure times due to reduction in sun-burning by sunscreen
use.
One of the known protectors of skin cells from pre-cancerous changes
is vitamin D. For most Americans the only source of vitamin D is
sunlight. We have a national disaster in progress due to a
misunderstanding of the nature of and need for UV-B and vitamin D.
Naked at Noon, Understanding the Importance of Sunlight and Vitamin
D
The book explains how we get D from food, sunlight and supplements
and how we have become so seriously D deficient by changes in
location (immigration to genetically unfriendly climates), attitudes
and lifestyles. There is a chapter on skin cancer and another on the
importance of essential fats. It also covers information related to
vitamin D's intimate relationship with calcium and magnesium.
"Ultraviolet (UV) light is divided into 3 bands or wavelength
ranges, which are referred to as UV-C, UV-B and UV-A.6 UV-C is the
most energetic and shortest of the UV bands. It will burn human skin
rapidly in extremely small doses. Fortunately, it is completely
absorbed by the ozone layer. However, UV-C is present in some
lights. For this reason, fluorescent and halogen and other specialty
lights may contribute to skin cancer.
UV-A, known as the "tanning ray," is primarily responsible for
darkening the pigment in our skin. Most tanning bulbs have a high UV-
A output, with a small percentage of UV-B. UV-A is less energetic
than UV-B, so exposure to UV-A will not result in a burn, unless the
skin is photosensitive or excessive doses are used. UV-A penetrates
more deeply into the skin than UV-B, due to its longer wavelength.
Until recently, UV-A was not blocked by sunscreens. It is now
considered to be a major contributor to the high incidence of non-
melanoma skin cancers.7 Seventy-eight percent of UV-A penetrates
glass so windows do not offer protection.
The ultraviolet wavelength that stimulates our bodies to produce
vitamin D is UV-B. It is sometimes called the "burning ray" because
it is the primary cause of sunburn (erythema). However, UV-B
initiates beneficial responses, stimulating the production of
vitamin D that the body uses in many important processes. Although
UV-B causes sunburn, it also causes special skin cells called
melanocytes to produce melanin, which is protective. UV-B also
stimulates the production of Melanocyte Stimulating Hormone (MSH),
an important hormone in weight loss and energy production.
The reason it is difficult to get adequate vitamin D from sunlight
is that while UV-A is present throughout the day, the amount of UV-B
present has to do with the angle of the sun's rays. Thus, UV-B is
present only during midday hours at higher latitudes, and only with
significant intensity in temperate or tropical latitudes. Only 5
percent of the UV-B light range goes through glass and it does not
penetrate clouds, smog or fog.
Sun exposure at higher latitudes before 10 am or after 2 pm will
cause burning from UV-A before it will supply adequate vitamin D
from UV-B. This finding may surprise you, as it did the researchers.
It means that sunning must occur between the hours we have been told
to avoid. Only sunning between 10 am and 2 pm during summer months
(or winter months in southern latitudes) for 20-120 minutes,
depending on skin type and color, will form adequate vitamin D
before burning occurs." Krispin Sullivan, CN more at the Weston A
Price Foundation..

3 lil pigs go out for dinner LOL

2007-12-16 06:59:28

Sound familiar???????
Three Little Pigs went out to dinner one night. The waiter comesand
takes their drink order.
"I would like a Sprite," said the first little piggy.
"I would like a Coke," said the second little piggy.
"I want water, lots and lots of water," said the third little piggy.
The drinks are brought out and the waiter takes their orders fordinner.
"I want a nice big steak," said the first piggy.
"I would like the salad plate," said the second piggy.
"I want water, lots and lots of water," said the third little piggy.
The meals were brought out and a while later the waiter
approached the table and asked if the piggies would like any
dessert.
"I want a banana split," said the first piggy.
"I want a root beer float," said the second piggy.
"I want water, lots and lots of water," exclaimed the third littlepiggy.
"Pardon me for asking," said the waiter! to the third little piggy,"but
why have you only ordered water all evening?"
You're gonna LOVE me for this....
Hold on to your seat .
At the risk of never receiving e-mail ever again........
The third piggy says -
"Well, somebody has to go 'Wee,wee, wee,all the way home!"

Inner Peace

2007-12-16 01:13:07

By following the simple advice I read in an article, I have finally found
inner peace... It read:
"The way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you've started."
So I looked around to see all the things I started and hadn't finished. So,
today I have finished one bottle of vodka, a bottle of red wine, a bottle of
Scotch, some Valium, a small box of chocolates and 9 beers. You have no idea
how good I feel.
You may pass this on to those you feel are in need of Inner Peace

Re: thyroid and sun exposure?

2007-12-15 20:27:51

Ya know I know there is something here with this, whether it's all
related to vitamin D or not I don't know. I recently found a
Vitiligo Support Group online and it's been interesting to get more
information in that area. For me the Vit is not so bad that it
disrupts my life so I have mainly focused on the other area keeping
in mind that the Vit might be connected as it is autoimmune in
nature and it really showed up the most during the times things were
the worst. What I find interesting is the light therapy used for
repigmenting for most of these people. Now most of them dont seem to
have major dabilitating issues with their Vit (who knows though,
most dont say, like here the majority of posters are a small portion
of the actual members). Some do suffer from thryroid and diabetes
but there's not a lot of talk about the connection. Anyway, I was
trying to find someone who has Vitiligo and any of the other
autoimmune diseases who is receiving the light therapy. I'm curious
if any of them have found themselves feeling physically better from
it. Vit sufferers tend to stay out of the sun because it only makes
their condition more pronounced. Tht and there has been some debate
as to if they actually are more suseptable to cancer. But some
studies show that they might be even more protected againt the
melanoma side of cancer because their body does attack it so well.
Anyway,.. I notice a BIG difference in how I feel when I have spent
some time outside in the sun. Since starting childcare and being
confined to the indoors (West Nile scare, seeing those buggers in
the heat of the day even! And the baby is SUPER sensitive to sun
exposure) I have noticed a general slide backwards again, more migs
and more general achiness. In fact yesterday morning I was feeling
really achy in my arms and I went out and laid in the sun in my
hammock and read the paper for about 20 minutes and it was
gone,..for the rest of the day. This is interesting to me because
since Vitiligo is autoimmune in nature, I wasn't sure if the
exposure would be good or not, like if encouraging melanin
production might also trigger the immune system to attack more? In
fact, at first my Vit became more pronounced but now I'm
repigmenting and it even looks a lot smoother. Repigmenting can
happen with Vit off and on. But from these light therapies and what
I've experienced, it seems that boosting Melanin production does not
make the autoimmune attack worse. Otherwise I dont think the doctors
would order the therapy either. Sorry to go on and on here, just
find it all really interesting and I'm hoping it might provide
answers also for people here too. I'll keep searching this angle and
share anything I find. Thanks Bee! XOXOXO
Victoria (who's thinking of